[Resolve] More 'after the fact' insults
fyffe_robert at yahoo.com.au
Wed Mar 1 08:25:44 PST 2006
You do make some quite wild and baseless assumptions, which you then present to the world as fact.
I, Robert Fyffe, am not a member of NAP. Never have been, never will be. I have never been a member of any activist organisation. I have, on occasions, had some association with NAP when we've shared a common agenda.
To keep myself up-to-date with what is going on around the place though, I am on the NAP e-mail list. That does not make me a member. I am on other e-mail lists also, including an ultra right-wing Orthodox Anglican group (virtueonline), but I'm far from being a Christian. In that case, I believe it pays to "know thine enemy".
I have my own agenda. I speak out often on a variety of inequities I witness in our society. I have, over the past few years, been conducting a letters to the editors campaign, Australia wide, to raise awareness and encourage public debate on the three main issues on my agenda. They being;- drug law reform, racism and religion.
I have spent the last twenty five years associated with (through my marriage into) one of the largest Aboriginal families from South Australia, with related association to families in Central Australia, but I do not claim to represent Aboriginal people. I have gained intimate knowledge, through my association, of the depth of inequity and injustice that Aboriginal people have been subjected to, and still face today, in Australia and speak out at every available opportunity.
I spent six years in Alice Springs,( ' 90-' 96 ) working as a tour guide. Living with and learning about my family in Central Australia, learning about the country there and how and where I fit into it, and learning what is appropriate to talk about to the tourists, and where it's appropriate (or not) to take them. Then spent my first five years in Darwin also working as a tour guide in Kakadu, talking to many hundreds of foriegn tourists, and presenting a slightly different angle on the history of Australia, before and after colonisation. But more rewardingly, speaking to many Australians and re-education them on Australian history. I call those talks my "attitude re-adjustment program". This is my contribution to reconcilliation.
As an Anglo Australian, with a deep understanding of my place in this land, I feel obliged to correct some of the past inequities foisted upon Aboriginal Australians by too many of my predecessors. I see indymedia (potentially, with far greater promotion) as a great tool for Aboriginal people to be able to present their own news stories to the world. Not having to rely on locally based and heavily biased commercial media, or half-hearted white fellas speaking on their behalf.
mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com> wrote: Robert Fyffe is a just another biased NAP member.
David has his own computers/access and surfs regularly. He had net access before I ever started working for the Kumbutjil Association as Project Officer.
Both David and Mindy were present when emails arrived and David wrote the replies where indicated. The only help he got from me was regarding the intricacies of the matters. I was living there at the time.
Your belief that David would, or could be used in that manner, is insulting and ignores the reality of Fiona and Viki supporting the initial expulsions (and David and Mindy's membership) for a further two months until I refused to associate with Fiona anymore.
Frankly I find the necessity for this exchange insulting and ask why Stuart Highway and Fiona's obvious manipulation by Meyerhoff isn't queried in the same way by imc members.
David and Mindy were disgusted by their treatment and a video clip and photo were used to show that fact and leave no doubts as to their involvement.
Only Nigel from Melbourne imc took the trouble to phone David and ask him what had happened. A novel approach it seems.
So spare us your continued "racist paternalism" which you now at least admit existed.
As Shayne has pointed out - some of his perth collective can barely work a mouse. People learn by osmosis mainly - and David is far ahead in skill levels since I started work at OMD. If he showed any interest in commenting on DIM I'd have helped him. Understandably he hasn't.
I'm not into superficiality. I think it's bloody patronising to 'teach' Aboriginal people merely as an exercise in appeasing people who do not even believe they exist. David still doesn't post on DIM. He will if our url is returned.
The Oz imc is not an indigenous friendly medium thanks to racist Trolls and lax moderation. We hoped to change that on DIM and have an Ed Pol that reflects that belief.
The racist trash your cult posted (and which sydney hosted) did not help in attracting Aboriginal support to the imc.
Nor our site being filled with spam/garbage - especially in threads that were culturally sensitive.
See again - http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002583.html
David's main contributions are finding articles and passing on info from an Aboriginal network that is remarkably extensive and efficient. We had an email from Letty Scott (murder case) seeking help in locating 2 witnesses in a matter 20 years old.
David found them both that day.
Until this drama is sorted one way or the other, no-one is much interested in lending credibility to a network that supports such paternalistic racism and superficiality. Which (again) has been admitted. It was incredibly insulting. And made me (and David and Mindy) very angry.
Bill Day who most activists here (myself included) consider the main non-Aboriginal advocate for the NT's Aboriginal people, stated I'd done more for OMD than had been done in 30 years.
Whereas as Fiona points out -
(prior to letting personal issues overtake her good sense)
- "NAP claim to work with Aboriginal communities in one of their propaganda/donation articles."
"On a local level, we work closely with the Top End's indigenous communities and with local independent media."
Which one? Gary's been at One Mile Dam twice in how many years? He lives 15 minutes away. What a load of crap. I approached Gary to do work at a community (15 mile) another one Gary has never been to - Mick has mob there.
Gary didn't want me to go to the Health&Women's meeting. When I insisted he said to keep NAP and TUF's name out of it.
NAP moved the Baxter Convergence post and others to give their spin and donation propaganda room.
Gary & Rob are full of it - sexist and racist creeps.
They are no loss to DIM or activists actually doing something."
I lived out bush for ten years on Aboriginal (then contested) land - I'm adopted by Aboriginal people...
That's why I can live in Aboriginal homes - dance at funeral ceremony and attend men's business. I'm trusted.
...as Fiona points out - "I met the Belyuen Aboriginal people and was overwhelmed by their friendliness and their obvious love for Mick."
Your ignorant biased insults are directed at the person who wrote most of your cult's articles and legal defences -- and built their web site. Me.
So spare us your 'after the fact' angst.
David and Mindy called their treatment by the imc "racist". You are just trying to build on that resentment (a transparent ploy) that their informed opinion caused a few people - who (we hope) know better now.
Fyffe - "I can make no comment on the validity of the claims of lies."
Well yes you can. The lies - and the proof they are lies are in Fiona's own words or handwriting.
Our collective know the truth - one was present when Meyerhoff was gibbering about Aboriginal people not having the right to claim land - at the NAP house.
Others heard from Fiona and Viki about that and other incidents at the NAP house which are once again in Fiona's own words. Most have a poor opinion of NAP due to it's cult-like aspects and the inordinate amount of gossip and lies about activists that has become their main contribution here. They know all the players and have joined our collective. Even a NAP/TUF member.
And of course Meyerhoff and Inder-Smith were also expelled by a NAP/TUF member - Fiona. As we now know to be true.
Our collective is credible and representative - yours a collection of legitimately expelled people who couldn't attract a single person to your DIMC unsanctioned 'meeting'.
NAP have set the drug users cause back a decade here - alienated the Alice Springs users group and destroyed the Territory Users Forum. TUF
Now you want to destroy our indymedia.
Monday, December 27, 2004 12:55:14 (properties date) "Recent events have convinced me I must say something re Rob Inder-Smith.
I seconded him to the AIVL e-list at Gary's request despite disliking the man intensely. But having discovered he is a police informer I feel I must warn others on the list.
He called the police after Gary asked him to in an attempt to intimidate a friend who was moving out of the NAP/TUF house.
I must state that at no time was Gary or Rob in danger from this man. In fact, they were the ones doing the threatening.
Due to a personality clash my friend was moving out. I assured Gary there were no problems and that he would be out that day.
Previously Gary had told me that he was going to get some blokes to "do over" my friend and/or he would call the police. He also told another TUF committee member that he intended to call the police.
Gary had called Inder-Smith to come round in an attempt to intimidate my friend.
While my friend was moving his stuff into his car, under the watchful eye of the NT police, Inder-Smith was taunting my friend. He's a gutless pig.
Fortunately, the police didn't search my friend as he had green matter on him somewhere. I must also point
I was there for the whole scenario and have avoided Gary and Rob since (therefore not being involved in TUF although I am secretary) as I don't trust dogs.
Whatever spin (lies) Gary comes up with now are irrelevant. The fact is (he) called the police after threatening this man."
Face facts - Inder-Smith and Meyerhoff were expelled for their disgusting behaviour - not me. Minutes here - http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Gary_Meyerhoffs_NAP-DIM_collective_lied.htm
Then Fiona and Viki for lying about the expulsions. Our collective told the truth.
My credibility and veracity is not the issue.
Along with our collective - I'm vindicated in refusing to allow some unethical people take over our indymedia. People who lied to oceania and stalked, threatened and assaulted us at our homes.
You left your insulting run (which you admit is that of someone who knows nothing about events) a year too late.
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