[Seattletech] Re: [Seattle-editorial] Joseph's Password? Thanks-belatedly!
webshiva at mac.com
Sat Oct 23 18:51:48 PDT 2004
Dude. For once you are 100% correct. After 4 hours of sitting around
and drinking coffee, you told me to go get a password from Stefani and
then you pretty much walked out the door and went out to live your life
for the next 6 months. The other members of the collective floated
away, and I (the new kid) was stuck doing everything.
But now, Joseph is "back". Joseph is "badder than ever". Back
doesn't mean that you are willing to commit to work or follow the
editorial working group's membership rules. Apparently it means the
reverse. You are demanding that the collective's rules be rewritten to
fit your preferences. A 15 hour a week commitment (e.g., 10 hours
clerking and 5 hours of feature writing/researching) is unacceptable.
You tell me that even 14 hours A MONTH discriminates against the poor.
Then you suddenly announce that you are starting a Independent Media
Corp, and you make a shout out to volunteers, offering to train them to
Your behavior is .... erratic ... confusing ... kind of creepy.
On Oct 23, 2004, at 1:24 PM, Joseph Eisenschmidt wrote:
> This a Collective. We operate by concensus, and we collaborate in
> order to reach goals.
> When I mentored you last spring, you were given the passwords to our
> site after just 4 hours of meeting-that is to say you gained the
> trust of the collective in two meetings. We did not require you to
> make a a time commitment wnen you joined, and in fact no Seattle
> IMC Member has ever ben told that resources would be restricted
> unless he or she committed a sum certain of time.
> You have now changed the time commitment to 10 hours, down from 15 2
> days ago. Who is with you on this? Who have you talked with about
> this? Who CONCENSED on the policy?
> You are not empowered to SEAIMC policies by yourself, nor is anyone
> else. The time requirement you propose is a non-starter-it wont
> happen in my opinion.
> And let me reiterate this:
> The Editorial Collective operates by CONCENSUS, and all decisions
> made, especially regarding hiding and deleting posts, as well as
> moving items to the center column as a feature.
> You do not decide this alone. No one does. If this were the case
> then this would be the Laury IMC.
> When you agreed to 'lend your thumb', you were made perfectly aware
> of the fact that this was a temporary, unusual, and REVOKABLE
> situation. Any post to be hidden or deleted must occur only AFTER
> you gain the approval of at least on other Member. Nothing may be
> placed in the center column without COlLECTIVE approval.
> Accountability is something I take very seriously Laury, and I am
> not posing the above question rhetorically.
> I trust you wil be able to work with us in a collective,
> accountable, and TRANSPARENT fashion. These are prerequisites to
> working within indymedia.
> As our newest member, you can be expected to be confused by indy's
> difficult decision making process, but those of us who have worked
> within it for years will, I'm sure, make ourselves available to
> help you to become more immersed in the ways of indymedia.
> I will be in contact with the other Members of the Collective to
> find out what course we should take from here. What I will not do
> is act arbitrarily, by myself, outside of the collective decision
> making process.
> In Solidarity,
> Quoting Laury Kenton <webshiva at mac.com>:
>> Hi Joseph --
>> MIR logins associated with non-active collective members were
>> deleted this earlier this week. This is a policy that you
>> supported when you were a member of the editorial collective.
>> Going forward, logins will be given for specific assignments.
>> Each login is a social contract -- given to someone who has
>> committed to a specific job assignment for the technical or
>> editorial collective. Thus, someone who volunteers to do 10
>> hours a week of clerking will be given a login. Someone else who
>> wants to be work sporadically at their leisure will not be given
>> a login. This sort of "here today, gone tomorrow" work-style is
>> not productive. It ends up being more work for the people who
>> have made larger commitments and eventually erodes morale.
>> -- Laury
>> On Friday, October 22, 2004, at 01:33PM, Joseph Eisenschmidt
>> <relayer at riseup.net> wrote:
>>> Going in to do my regular newswire clerking and such I see that
>>> password has been deleted.
>>> I did ask that my PW be deleted a couple of months ago while I
>>> some personal things together , but am curious as to the
>>> Has anyone deleted my PW by mistake or otherwise? If so, why?
>>> Anyway, I'll call and get a new PW tomorrow.
>>> Peace & Solidarity,
>>> Joseph Eisenschmidt
>>> Seattle-editorial mailing list
>>> Seattle-editorial at lists.indymedia.org
> Joseph Eisenschmidt
More information about the Seattletech