[Sfbay-space] Re: [Ecr] proposal re: imc space
a. mark liiv
mark at whisperedmedia.org
Sat Jun 18 21:19:37 PDT 2005
ok, so ECR is the one that would stop paying
rent? so it's basically the same thing except
that the dsl wouldn't go down so much (since imc
pays a larger share than ecr)...
so we would still need to find a tenant for that
back space as well as the one that wm moved out
of, right?
it would be great to get some proposals on the
table for new tenants. patrick had one a while
back but it fell through.
it's not the tenants' responsability to find a
new tenant for the room they move out of, it's
the suite secretary, which is currently still
wayne, but he hasn't done anything about it. so
my proposal is that i do the job and train
christian over the next few months and then he
steps up...
i would try to find new tenant/s but it would
indeed be great to get other people's help with
this.
cheers
a. mark
>no, my proposal was that IMC would move in to
>the ECR room (since that would be easier than
>ECR moving in to the IMC room).
>
>ECR started out in the IMC office, then merged
>in to what was the SFLR news office as an IMC
>project, per a sort of treaty agreement ;)
>
>per IMC reorganization earlier this year, ECR
>is one of the collectives which makes up the
>sf bay area IMC (others including Indybay
>website collective and Fault Lines print
>collective)
>
>my proposal was for IMC to go back to renting
>only 1 office in the suite instead of two,
>since the back office isn't being used and no
>one is working on fundraising.
>
>The rent for the ECR office would go up as it
>would include IMC's portion of DSL.
>
>Of course, if anyone wants to use the IMC back
>office (and help fundraise for it) then i
>wouldn't support my proposal.
>
>--mark
>
>On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:45:31 -0700, a. mark liiv wrote:
>> hey everyone,
>> let me bring up a point of clarification about
>> how the space is rented out over in suite 216. i
>> guess mark has forgotten this, but the imc
>> officially rents that back room as its office and
>> gets to use the front space as well.
>>
>> basically because the imc is a public serving
>> institution and because everyone else in the
>> suite gets access to the front space computers
>> and generally supports indybay, the imc gets to
>> use the front room as its own space IN ADDITION
>> to the back room.
>>
>> if the back office is gotten rid of then that
>> doesn't mean that IMC doesn't have to pay rent
>> anymore!
>>
>> we would need to discuss, probably at a suite
>> meeting, what IMC should pay if it wants to get
>> rid of the back room. since it's never used
>> except as storage, then it probably is a good
>> idea to get rid of it so that there is more
>> active use of this precious resource (personally
>> i don't yet see why faultlines or an indybay
>> project couldn't be using that room).
>>
>> so, i guess i would like to hear what the IMC
>> proposal for paying rent for the front room would
>> be. how could it get any cheaper for the group?
>> it's the best deal anyone has in the suite, and
>> still indybay fell behind for 4 months on rent!!!
>>
>> a. mark
>> (aka dj sweety)
>>
>>
>>
>> >well,
>> >really no one has been working on fundraising for imc or ecr for the
>> >past year, even though both together have to pay around $300/month for
>> >the two offices (including internet and the phone line).
>> >
>> >also no one is working on maintaining or using the imc back office
>> >aside from nicole (the intern) getting the phone out of there each day.
>> >
>> >no one ever uses the imc back office as far as i know. there are a a
>> >few files in there which are accessed once a month (for bank account
>> >statements etc. for the imc/ecr bank account) and that is the only use
>> >of the room i am aware of for the past year.
>> >
>> >so i don't see any affect on ecr -- even in march 2003 when things
>> >were very busy we only had one office for both ecr and imc -- aside from
>> >reduced rent cost.
>> >
>> >if suddenly imc people wanted to use the office for non-ecr stuff,
> > >presumably they would work around any scheduled ecr use.
>> >
>> >--mark
>> >
>> >On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:01:18 +0000, rubble9 at comcast.net wrote:
>> >> what are the potential positive and negative's involved?
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>
>> >> > hey
>> >> >
>> >> > does anyone see a problem with a proposal to merge the imc and ecr
>> >> > spaces? this would mean that imc files would be stored in the ecr
>> >> > studio and imc folks could have a key to ecr, but also other imc
>> >> > collectives (web and print) would share rent costs with ecr.
>> >> >
>> >> > --mark
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