[Sfbay-space] Re: [Suite216] Re: [Ecr] proposal re: imc space

Sat Jun 18 22:27:58 PDT 2005

this was a proposal of mine,
which i don't think ECR and IMC as a whole
have agreed to as of yet.. still in discussion
for now until meetings, or an email discussion
is concluded.

--mark B.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:19:37 -0700, a. mark liiv wrote:
> ok, so ECR is the one that would stop paying 
> rent? so it's basically the same thing except 
> that the dsl wouldn't go down so much (since imc 
> pays a larger share than ecr)...
> 
> so we would still need to find a tenant for that 
> back space as well as the one that wm moved out 
> of, right?
> 
> it would be great to get some proposals on the 
> table for new tenants. patrick had one a while 
> back but it fell through.
> 
> it's not the tenants' responsability to find a 
> new tenant for the room they move out of, it's 
> the suite secretary, which is currently still 
> wayne, but he hasn't done anything about it. so 
> my proposal is that i do  the job and train 
> christian over the next few months and then he 
> steps up...
> 
> i would try to find new tenant/s but it would 
> indeed be great to get other people's help with 
> this.
> cheers
> a. mark
> 
> 
> >no, my proposal was that IMC would move in to
> >the ECR room (since that would be easier than
> >ECR moving in to the IMC room).
> >
> >ECR started out in the IMC office, then merged
> >in to what was the SFLR news office as an IMC
> >project, per a sort of treaty agreement ;)
> >
> >per IMC reorganization earlier this year, ECR
> >is one of the collectives which makes up the
> >sf bay area IMC (others including Indybay
> >website collective and Fault Lines print
> >collective)
> >
> >my proposal was for IMC to go back to renting
> >only 1 office in the suite instead of two,
> >since the back office isn't being used and no
> >one is working on fundraising.
> >
> >The rent for the ECR office would go up as it
> >would include IMC's portion of DSL.
> >
> >Of course, if anyone wants to use the IMC back
> >office (and help fundraise for it) then i
> >wouldn't support my proposal.
> >
> >--mark
> >
> >On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:45:31 -0700, a. mark liiv wrote:
> >> hey everyone,
> >> let me bring up a point of clarification about
> >> how the space is rented out over in suite 216. i
> >> guess mark has forgotten this, but the imc
> >> officially rents that back room as its office and
> >> gets to use the front space as well.
> >>
> >> basically because the imc is a public serving
> >> institution and because everyone else in the
> >> suite gets access to the front space computers
> >> and generally supports indybay, the imc gets to
> >> use the front room as its own space IN ADDITION
> >> to the back room.
> >>
> >> if the back office is gotten rid of then that
> >> doesn't mean that IMC doesn't have to pay rent
> >> anymore!
> >>
> >> we would need to discuss, probably at a suite
> >> meeting, what IMC should pay if it wants to get
> >> rid of the back room. since it's never used
> >> except as storage, then it probably is a good
> >> idea to get rid of it so that there is more
> >> active use of this precious resource (personally
> >> i don't yet see why faultlines or an indybay
> >> project couldn't be using that room).
> >>
> >> so, i guess i would like to hear what the IMC
> >> proposal for paying rent for the front room would
> >> be. how could it get any cheaper for the group?
> >> it's the best deal anyone has in the suite, and
> >> still indybay fell behind for 4 months on rent!!!
> >>
> >> a. mark
> >> (aka dj sweety)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >well,
> >> >really no one has been working on fundraising for imc or ecr for the
> >> >past year, even though both together have to pay around $300/month for
> >> >the two offices (including internet and the phone line).
> >> >
> >> >also no one is working on maintaining or using the imc back office
> >> >aside from nicole (the intern) getting the phone out of there each day.
> >> >
> >> >no one ever uses the imc back office as far as i know.  there are a a
> >> >few files in there which are accessed once a month (for bank account
> >> >statements etc. for the imc/ecr bank account) and that is the only use
> >> >of the room i am aware of for the past year.
> >> >
> >> >so i don't see any affect on ecr -- even in march 2003 when things
> >> >were very busy we only had one office for both ecr and imc -- aside from
> >> >reduced rent cost.
> >> >
> >> >if suddenly imc people wanted to use the office for non-ecr stuff,
> > > >presumably they would work around any scheduled ecr use.
> >> >
> >> >--mark
> >> >
> >> >On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:01:18 +0000, rubble9 at comcast.net wrote:
> >> >> what are the potential positive and negative's involved?
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >>
> >> >> > hey
> >> >> >
> >> >> > does anyone see a problem with a proposal to merge the imc and ecr
> >> >> > spaces? this would mean that imc files would be stored in the ecr
> >> >> > studio and imc folks could have a key to ecr, but also other imc
> >> >> > collectives (web and print) would share rent costs with ecr.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --mark
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> Babylonia, Ninevah, Assyria, Persia, Macedonia, 
> Greece, Carthage, Rome, Mali, Songhai, Mongonl, 
> Tokugawaw, Gupta, Khmer, Hapbsburg, Inca, Aztec, 
> Spanish, Dutch, Ottoman, Austrian, French, 
> British, Soviet, you name them, they all fell, 
> and most within a few hundred years. The reasons 
> are not really complex. An empire is a kind of 
> state system that inevitably makes the same 
> mistakes simply by the nature of its imperial 
> structure and inevitably fails because of its 
> size, complexity, territorial reach, 
> stratification, heterogeneity, domination, 
> hierarchy, and inequalities. "
> -Kirkpatrick Sale
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