[Fwd: Re: [Sfbay-video] Google Video / more or less?]

Tue Aug 2 13:11:22 PDT 2005

i was just saying that we can't automatically put all indybay
stuff on google video, because our license doen't allow it, we'd
have to ask each contributor case by case.  i wouldnt say anyone
is lame for making use of such corporate channels, although i do
think it would be great for folks to contribute towards
anticapitalist collectively-controlled distribution channels when
we can.  Yes i'm still rather bitter at Google news for censoring
us.

Marisa Mayer, product manager for google news who stopped 
returning my phone calls, was promoted to Google director of 
consumer products.

--mark

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:20:15 -0700, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Well ... yes and maybe no ... sometimes when a bigger commercial entity
> gobbles up your content and offers you a one-time broadcast (or in most
> cases doesn't really ever promise to broadcast it or to provide prominent
> links to it on their webpages) but, for that, they want to own your media
> and get exclusives on it (i.e. you will no longer be able to post it on
> indymedia sites and/or your website or show it at small screenings) then,
> what happens is that people actually end up seeing less of it ... it gets
> locked down by an exclusive contract and put on the shelf ... this can
> happen too ... but, as Joanna points out, sometimes you do "get the word
> out there more" ... you just have to discern each time and make decisions
> on a case-by-case basis ... the google thing doesn't really offer much if
> the videos are hidden or are not listed prominently ... as it is you can
> search for the media and find it on indybay ... so, if you still have to
> search to find the media, then, it is no gain in new audience viewership
> ... so, without any guarantees, no one knows what the google video thing
> will really mean ... will they re-edit the pieces? change the credits? ...
> are they simply cherry-picking for good content and will recontextualize
> it themselves, or will they leave it alone, play it, in its entirity and
> list it prominently? ,,, who knows, JT
> > Then again, wouldn't it be great if any of our content could get on a
> network television channel? Think of the exposure! But there would be
> commercials.... would that actually deter you when given such an
> opportunity to get the word out?
> >
> > Just a hypothetical to bring focus to the possibility that this Google
> video could be a good tool for reaching a wider audience. (I don't
> really know if it could. Just saying)
> >
> > xo
> > jo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Josh Wolf wrote:
> >
> >> Google requires that your video be uploaded to the google server. The
> video is only made available through the Google Video Browser which is
> a PC program. As I only have a mac right now, I'm not too sure whether
> the Google Video Browser contains ads but it'd be my guess that it
> would. Google Video is not a video search engine per-say and as there
> would be a significant amount of work needed to upload each video to
> Google Video, and there are licensing issues regarding whether or not
> this is constituted as non-commercial use, I think it's just as well
> that nothing came out of your previous communications with Google.
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:27 PM, mark burdett wrote:
> >>
> >>> If google is sucking in your video, hosting it and
> >>> (potentially) showing ads along side it, i don't think that
> >>> would be appropriate for indymedia content, since we have a
> >>> license, "for non-commercial use only."  We'd have to get
> >>> permission from each contributor, "is it ok if we give your
> >>> video away to for-profit mega-corporation Google?"  It doesn't seem
> like this gains us much when we already have local
> >>> indymedia sites, video.indymedia.org and archive.org to play
> >>> with.
> >>>
> >>> But on the other hand if video.google.com is just an indexing
> >>> & search service (like news.google.com or images.google.com,
> >>> which copies thumbnails of your photos under "fair use"), then it
> could be useful to be part of it.
> >>>
> >>> --mark B.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:56:03 -0700, Rick Prelinger wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bear in mind that it may not be easy to remove video from the Google
> Video index or take it down from the site, if this was necessary.  I
> don't know the exact terms of service, but...
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I understand, they are indexing video from other sites.
> >>>>> Can you actually upload there?  I never did find out how it
> >>>>> works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I kinda dropped the ball on this one, I signed up for indybay to be
> part of video.google.com and someone from Google called the Indybay
> office, I returned the call and left a message but that was it... we
> never connected...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would anyone else be interested in being the contact w/ Google on
> this..?  I feel a little overcommitted at the moment.  You could
> pass along any tech issues to me and any other
> >>>>> volunteers..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --mark B.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:19:29 -0700, Crescent Diamond wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Hey.  Did you guys know about the new Beta version of Google
> >>>>>> Video?  I
> >>>>>>    just found out about it.  Anyone know of any downsides to
> >>>>>> uploading
> >>>>>>    video on to this new site?  Let me know.  I might try putting
> >>>>>> SLTV up
> >>>>>>    there, or try to link the one that is already on Archive.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Check it out:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    [1]http://video.google.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Crescent Diamond
> >>>>>>    Programming Coordinator
> >>>>>>    Berkeley Community Media
> >>>>>>    www.betv.org
> >>>>>>    (510) 848-2288 x.13
> >>>>>>    [2]crescent at betv.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    To see the most updated schedule for BTV 28 click here: [3]BTV28
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    To watch BTV 28 on the web click here: [4]Web Stream
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> References
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    1. http://video.google.com/
> >>>>>>    2. mailto:crescent at betv.org
> >>>>>>    3. http:/64.164.28.26/CablecastPublic/Main.aspx?ChannelID=1 4.
> http://www.betv.org/btv28/btvstream.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick Prelinger
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