[Sfbay-video] hard drive trouble shooting - help!

Tue Jan 25 13:39:32 PST 2005

Sorry,

 I suppose I should clarify... I've never encountered
problems when daisy chaining hard drives, just when
chaining drives to i/o devices like DV decks, etc.

 Regardless, if the keyboard (which is USB, right) is
having some kind of effect on the firewire devices, it
sounds more like a driver issue than a drive problem.

-b

--- doug norberg <dcnberg at hotmail.com> wrote:

> hey all,
> 
> i've had much the same experience as mark, even
> using up to 6 drives linked 
> thru a belkin hub without trouble.  i've never heard
> of a firewired 
> keyboard.  and i know several who've put their
> laptop ports through much i/o 
> punishment rendering the ports useless, probably not
> from motherboard 
> exhaustion but from pin/connector misalignments. and
> generally LaCie is a 
> far better choice than western.
> 
> doug
> 
> FromÊ:Ê	a. mark liiv <mark at whisperedmedia.org>
> SentÊ:Ê	Tuesday,ÊJanuaryÊ25,Ê2005Ê12:38ÊPM
> ToÊ:Ê	VAN - SF Bay IMC Video List
> <sfbay-video at lists.indymedia.org>, 
> sfschism at riseup.net
> SubjectÊ:Ê	Re: [Sfbay-video] hard drive trouble
> shooting - help!
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> hey bill, sunny, et al
> 
> bill, i have been using these drives and decks via
> firewire for years and 
> haven't heard that before or really had any
> problems. maybe i've been lucky 
> so far, but it hasn't been a problem sharing other
> drives on that, for 
> example La Cie and VST drives have all worked fine
> when strung together, 
> even as many as 3 or 4 on that same computer... but
> the main firewire ports 
> have burnt out mysteriously (motherboard issue
> probably) so we're using a 
> street-scored pci card with two of its own burnt out
> ports and one working 
> one! yay for recycling, but maybe this card can't
> juice up enough drives 
> like the originals could...
> 
> anyway, sunny, you might consider getting a LaCie
> drive, but i am not clear 
> what the keyboard ahs to do with the firewire port
> since that should be on 
> its own (working...) usb port.
> 
> do check the rpm speed of the drive to make sure
> it's video compatible.
> 
> if you can't return the drive or we can't figure out
> the firewire issue, 
> then you could edit using the internal drive and
> each time you are done 
> transfer it to the firewire drive using its USB
> cable (assuming it came with 
> both, they usually do now). this would be worst case
> scenario if nothing 
> else works.
> 
> how about next monday between 12-4 i try to help you
> at the studio? i might 
> also be in tomorrow, wednesday, for a couple hours.
> call...
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> Ê	Ê	Hey Sunny-
> 
> A few thoughts to consider:
> 
> I've been working in audio/video post for over 10
> years now and I cringe every time the phrase "daisy
> chain" is used. Remember that most i/o devices,
> especially audio and vodeo hardware really need
> their
> own independant 1394 bus to function properly. If
> you're not sure if this applies to you, check the
> manual of your hardware device. I know from
> experience
> that all of the Digidesign devices require exclusive
> control over one firewire port, for example. Many DV
> decks are the same way (That's why they don't
> usually
> build extra firewire ports into the deck). It may be
> in your best interest to go out and invest in a $50
> 1394 PCI card so your drive and i/o are on seperate
> busses.
> 
> Werd-
> Bill
> 
> P.S. If anyone's looking for some sound design on a
> project, let me know. I work at a studio in Fremont
> and have been looking for a side project or 2 which
> could act as a catharsis for my post Nov. 2
> depression. Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> --- doug norberg <dcnberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> also, make sure the drive is 7200 rpm or higher.Ê
> some
> cheap HDs are only 5400 rpm and can't handle the
> bitflow.
> 
> doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ê	Ê	From: Dan <handyman at california.com>
> To: sfschism at riseup.net
> CC: show at lists.mutualaid.org,
> sfbay-video at lists.indymedia.org
> Ê	Ê	Subject: Re: [Sfbay-video] hard drive trouble
> shooting - help!
> Ê	Ê	Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:16:30 -0800
> 
> Sunny and others who might be interested,
> 
> I have also had issues with a Western Digital
> firewire drive.Ê On
> Ê	Ê	windows.
> 
> I don't have experience with macs, but I can say
> this
> WD drive has
> Ê	Ê	been very unpredictable
> as to getting it come up.Ê I don't think it has ever
> come up as the
> Ê	Ê	first external device and would not
> pass other devices thru.Ê Somehow it is stable now,
> but I only use
> Ê	Ê	at it the end of the chain.Ê I do
> not recommend WD firewire boxes.
> 
> It may help in general to get a firewire
> hub/repeater.Ê I have an
> Ê	Ê	Iogear G-FH600,Ê 6 port hub.Ê Besides
> being able to plug things in and out w/o daisey
> chaining,Ê when I
> Ê	Ê	have experimented with using my D-8
> vcr at the core of a live stream set-up, I can use
> the hub to output
> Ê	Ê	five firewire audio/video feeds.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> sfschism at riseup.net wrote:
> 
> Ê	Ê	Hey, guys.
> I have a question about a hard drive I'm having
> problems with...
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	I recently got a Western Digital external hard
> drive.
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	Unfortunately, the
> computer we are using only has one working firewire
> input, so we
> >>have been daisy-chaining stuff from that one
> input.
> Basically, the hard
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	drive
> doesn't seem to be able to support more than one
> input at a time -
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	in
> other words, it can't support the keyboard, the deck
> and the input
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	from
> the computer all at the same time, and if I plug the
> deck in, it
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	shuts
> down the hard drive, removing it from the desktop,
> citing an
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	"improper
> device removal".
> 
> This is the first external hard drive I've
> purchased, so I'm not an
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	expert
> at this - is this normal?Ê Should I just take it
> back and get a
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	different
> kind?Ê Or does it sound like a problem that is the
> fault of the
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	computer? (For background, other external hard
> drives have had no
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	problem...)
> 
> Is there a better brand that I should get?Ê Is this
> common for this
> Ê	Ê
> Ê	Ê	brand,
> or does this sound just like a one-time thing?
> 
> Sorry, I'm just getting the hang of this stuff!
> paz,
> Sunny
> 
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