[Sfbay-web] Re: [Sfbay-video] video pages on Indybay proposal

[mahtin at riseup.net]

Just to be more specific about finding video on the site, if you click on
the video link just above the newswire on indybay.org (righthand column,
that takes you to all the videos on the site.  You can also click on the
photo link to get all the photos.

I am not sure that I would be into having the competitive aspect of a
"video of the week"-type thing.

aLso, there is something in the points of unity that says we are
non-commercial, so we might have to change that.

-KM

> This is a great idea. I think that the type of project that jeff is
> describing would be best accomplished by using indymedia technology.
> We can direct all video files that are uploaded to the newswire to this
> page. Similar to our categories. This way people would be able to
> access all the video easily, This is already possible to do through
> search but doing it like this can provide interesting possibilities.
> Such as a rating system where users would be able to rate videos
> uploaded and the highest rated one would become the video of the week.
> maybe even some software could be written that would make a jpeg slide
> show from the video to be displayed on the page. This would bring
> people to the site on a regular basis.
> Do people know about www.indytorrents.org? this is a project initiated
> by portland IMC, extremely prolific videomakers. They have been
> uploading torrent files of their videos for a while now. We could add
> torrent tracker to the page. Torrent technology is a real interesting
> way of sharing network resources efficiently way across the internet.
> Videos. I have been saying that i would like to design a merchandise
> page and propose it to the group. Videos would surely be a part of
> this. I guess it's time for me to actually do it. Anyone want to help?
> The skillshare resources are also an excellent idea.
>
> ali
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2005, at 5:10 PM, mark burdett wrote:
>
>> i would value having one or more video editors for the site. both to
>> offer educational/tutorial material that isn't several years out of
>> date and serve as a librarian for the video content we have. as well
>> as help direct newcomers to ongoing projects they can get involved
>> with.
>>
>> we already have some pages like what jeff is talking about
>> they just aren't being maintained/updated.
>>
>> and we already have a lot of videos
>> they just aren't very well organized or accessible.
>>
>> i guess i don't care what site this happens on if people want to do
>> it elsewhere like videoactivism.org but if people want to do it on
>> indybay then i'd be all for it and would help where i could.
>>
>> --mark
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:37:20 -0800, mahtin at riseup.net wrote:
>>> Next website meeting is Weds April 12/13 whichever it is at 7pm at
>>> the space.
>>>
>>> Doesn't VAN have a website?  Couldn't some of this stuff happen on
>>> that
>>> site and some (like a link?) on the Indymedia page?
>>>
>>> The reason it says TV instead of Street Level TV is cuz then we would
>>> have
>>> to say "Enemy Combatant..." instead of radio and "Fault Lines"
>>> instead of
>>> print and we would run out of space between those words on the top of
>>> the
>>> page.
>>>
>>> but anyhow a lot of these ideas are things that should be on
>>> videoactivism.org if they aren't already, maybe on a Bay Area-specific
>>> page.
>>> -KM
>>>
>>>> these pages could be linked from the left column.  we could add
>>>> a video link kinda like we have nice graphical links for the
>>>> calendar, ecr and fault lines.  each page could be either a
>>>> newswire post (if u want to allow comments) or feature page (if
>>>> you don't want comments).
>>>>
>>>> all we have now is a "Make Media" page linked from the left
>>>> column which i put together years ago.
>>>> http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/12/1665902.php some of the info
>>>> was useful at the time but is sort of obsolete by now.
>>>>
>>>> ideally whoever wants to maintain the video pages should bring
>>>> the proposal to an indybay website meeting and get access to the
>>>> site -- see meeting schedule at
>>>> http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/12/1665901.php
>>>>
>>>> it would be possible to maintain the video pages without site
>>>> access by emailing requests to the website group.  but i think
>>>> having access is generally preferred.
>>>>
>>>> --mark
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0800, Jeff wrote:
>>>>> Hello, it's Jeff Taylor here ... of Whispered Media, VAN and all of
>>>>> that
>>>>> ... writing to see if there is any interest in letting some of from
>>>>> VAN,
>>>>> Street Level TV, etc. ... design some more permanent video pages
>>>>> for the
>>>>> indybay site ... and, of course keeping the self-publishing videos
>>>>> page
>>>>> (as it is now, only with some navigation to the other pages) ...
>>>>>
>>>>> So, but, here's where this proposal has fallen apart in the past
>>>>> ... it
>>>>> is
>>>>> that someone, say maybe Mark Liiv will propose, design and post a
>>>>> page
>>>>> about "video resources" or "getting started in Final Cut Pro" ... or
>>>>> something like that ... but, then, it quickly gets lost in the
>>>>> self-publishing list of huge archives ... moved back to ever more
>>>>> obscure
>>>>> locations and eventually - it virtually disappears ... so, the idea
>>>>> of
>>>>> us
>>>>> just doing it and self-publishing is defeatist and that is why it
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> happen more often ... but, if there was some kind of permanent link
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> prominent indybay pages ... or someway for visitors to consistently
>>>>> navigate to these pages, then it would seem really worthwhile ...
>>>>> at a
>>>>> minimum, there should be a way for the website visitor to get to
>>>>> Street
>>>>> Level TV and know that that is where they are going ... and same
>>>>> for the
>>>>> self-publishing videos page and for the "video projetcts" page of
>>>>> the
>>>>> overall imc network ... that should be a mimimum ... but, right now
>>>>> the
>>>>> site is incapable of distinguishing anything related to videos or
>>>>> video
>>>>> production, screening ... etc. ... there is one link to the
>>>>> self-pubishing, and/or a link that bounces you to street level ...
>>>>> and
>>>>> there is no explanation or differentiation ... currently there is
>>>>> no way
>>>>> for an indybay visitor to find out about past collaborative
>>>>> productions,
>>>>> about current things that imc video folks are working on ... where
>>>>> to
>>>>> order some imc videos ... any of that remains really obscure ...
>>>>> lost in
>>>>> the shuffle ... so, what do you say? If some small group of people
>>>>> that
>>>>> we
>>>>> all know (i.e. me, some input from street level folks, some help
>>>>> from
>>>>> others that have come around ... mark liiv, ali?, etc ... ) .. . or
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> just me in the end ... whatever ... but anyway, if these pages were
>>>>> designed and fit in the indybay theme and design, could they have a
>>>>> nice
>>>>> permanent navigation system and link from the homepage? more
>>>>> description
>>>>> of potential pages below ...
>>>>>
>>>>> What do people think?
>>>>>
>>>>> jeff
>>>>> jeff at whisperedmedia.org
>>>>>
>>>>> ---from a former email about this---
>>>>>
>>>>> make a permanent link on the lefthand menubar of every page that
>>>>> goes to
>>>>> a
>>>>> nice,
>>>>> more permanent page with internal links to resources, links, watch
>>>>> videos
>>>>> ... and
>>>>> a link to the catch-all, ever-changing self-publishing videos page,
>>>>> and
>>>>> a
>>>>> link to streetleveltv ... and have the catch-all, ever-changing
>>>>> self-publishing videos link to the others somehow ... as well as to
>>>>> the
>>>>> "video projects" page that is up on imc main site ... then, it will
>>>>> be a
>>>>> big, happy video world on the indybay site - we can design the
>>>>> pages and
>>>>> arrange the links and all of that, but, we need some help to keep it
>>>>> nice
>>>>> and actually available for the visitors to the indybay site
>>>>>
>>>>> pages?:
>>>>> 1.) how to screen / with screening venues and links to video
>>>>> producers/distributors as well & a link to the calendar
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.) getting started/involved/diy - a few pages ... camera tips,
>>>>> editing
>>>>> tips, more resources about fcp, etc. ...
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.) how to order ... mostly links to video producers and/or their
>>>>> distributors ... with a note at the top about ordering videos for
>>>>> personal
>>>>> use, or for institutions or for public screenings ... and, a big
>>>>> prominent
>>>>> link to ak press ... this will cut down on some of the inquiry
>>>>> traffic,
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.) links: video activists, video resources online, cable access
>>>>> links,
>>>>> papertiger, all the biggies of the actual imc videos up front and
>>>>> center
>>>>> ... maybe with icons and ... then, all the categories that seem
>>>>> appropriate below ... with more comprehensive lists
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.) big thing about Street Level TV, streaming media, icon and so
>>>>> on ...
>>>>> anything that is appropriate to this vital indybay project ...
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.) watch produced videos ... this is a more designed and permanent
>>>>> page,
>>>>> with jpegs from the featured videos ... and so on ... text, links,
>>>>> viewing
>>>>> options ... a quote, or link to a review, etc.. for each featured
>>>>> streaming video there ... (segments from we interrupt this empire
>>>>> ...
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> ... more produced videos and so on ... )
>>>>>
>>>>> 7.) the self-publishing and ever-updatable videos page as it exists
>>>>> right
>>>>> now, but only with a navigation bar that allows you to access the
>>>>> other
>>>>> video pages from a side menu ... etc ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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