[www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] feature proposal :

[Marcelo Andrade]

[castellano abajo]
[EN]
from the "calle y media" collective we made a concrete PROPOSAL:
- to have the "Oct 12" article posted on indymedia puerto rico as the main
feauture (the one about the global day of action in support of the autnomous
movements of the bolivarian revolution of venezuela and the pachamerican
struggles...
http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/4342.php
- and have the texaco-microsoft article as an addition to the Oct 12, with
the re-wording of the final sentence:
"The silence and the non-resistence of the popular movements just amplified
 this situation, disarticulated by the expectations of the left government
speech. In case Chavéz continue with immune posture before popular
movements, we will see those movements fight against the local bourgeoisie
just to let a free way to the global bourgeoisie, wich has no problem to
negotiate with the “bolivarian revolution”.

I PROPOSE THIS ENDING:
After the victory in the referendum, the popular movements are now trying to
accelerate the process they call "Revolution within the Revolution",
precisely to fight against deals like these. The  balance of forces is still
very tight in Venezuela, and in many ways Chavez is trapped between the
revolutionary currents and the neoliberal elements within the government
that could bring the country down if they join forces with the
counter-revolution. The processes of joint popular rebellion in the
continent must accelerate, and international support for the autonomous
movements of the Bolivarian Revolution must grow, because Microsoft, Texaco
and the global bourgeoisie have no real problem in negotiating with the
"revolutionary bureaucracy" of Venezuela.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS PROPOSAL?

saludos!
marcelo
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[castellano]
desde el colectivo "calle y media" hicimos una PROPUESTA CONCRETA:
- Subir como feature principal el artículo de "Oct 12" que está colgado en
indymedia puerto rico (el que habla del día de acción global en apoyo a los
movimientos autónomos de la revolución bolivariana de venezuela y las luchas
pachamericanas...
http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
- y montar el artículo de Microsoft-Texaco como anexo al de Oct 12,
modificándole el final:
"El silencio y la no-resistencia de los movimientos populares ha amplificado
esta situacion, desarticulados por las expectativas dadas por el discuros
del gobierno de izquerda. Si la inmunidad de Chávez frente a los movimientos
populares continúa, veremos a estos movimientos luchar contra la burguesía
local para simplemente dejarle el camino abierto a la burguesía global, la
que no tiene ningún problema en negociar con la "revolución bolivariana".

PROPONGO EL SIGUIENTE FINAL:
Después de la victoria en el referendum, los movimientos populares están
tratando de acelerar el proceso que llaman "Revolución en la Revolución",
precisamente para combatir contra tratados como éstos. La correlación de
fuerzas en Venezuela es todavía muy frágil, y Chávez se encuentra atrapado
entre la corriente verdaderamente revolucionaria y los elementos
neoliberales en el gobierno que, de unirse a la contra-revolución, podrían
poner al país de rodillas en muy poco tiempo. Los procesos de rebelión
continental conjunta deben acelerarse, y el apoyo internacional hacia los
movimientos autónomos de la Revolución Bolivariana debe crecer, porque
Microsoft, Texaco y la burguesía global no tienen ningún problema en
negociar con la "burocracia revolucionaria" de Venezuela.

¿ALGUIEN TIENE OBJECIONES CONTRA ESTA PROPUESTA?

saludos!
marcelo
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> [pt abaixo]
> hi all,
> i am trying to follow the discussion..havent said nothing yet but for
> me if people has good reasons to not agree with the features - not
> reasons that are unsuported, without base information that can really
> make it true.
> should re-write the features and put those informations over there, cuz
> i would like to know them..whatever they are..if chavez will use the
> microsoft money to support the social moviments..whatever....
> made them concrete and put it up!
> dont say "who wrote this knows nothing  bout venezuela" or  "we cant
> say that cuz we must think of the moviments in venezuela" or whatever..
> what is in this features is a true content...we are not saying anything
> against the peoples moviment in venezuela, we are showing what chavez
> is doing in his government and yes we are questioning his actions cuz
> they obviously are going against his speech....
> if you have any information that shows this wrong..i encorage you to
> re-write the features with that information..cuz that will help many
> ppl who dont understand why he is making deals with texaco and
> microsoft.. dont just say we can aprove cuz is not good for this or for
> that.. true information is always good..indymedia can not control
> information..indymedia is supposed to pass information forward.
> it can not just shows what would be good on ppls eyes...
> so unless someone here has good information and can re-make this
> features with it, i dont see a one single reason to not put this
> features up ciao
> toya
> [pt abaixo]
> oi todos,
> eu estou tentando acompanhar a discussao, nao falei nda ainda mas para
> mim se alguem tem alguma boa razao para nao concordar com esse
> editorial - nao razoes vagas, sem informacao de base que as tornam
> verdadeiras
> essa pessoa deveria re-escrever o editorial e colocar essas informacoes
> nele, porque eu gostaria de conhecer-las...qualquer que sejam... se o
> chavez vai utilizar dinheiro da microsoft para ajudar so movimentos
> sociais...ou o que seja... que as tornam concretas e as colocam ai! nao
> diga "quem escreveu isso nao sabe nda da venezuela" ou " nos nao
> podemos dizer isso porque temos que ter em mente os movimentos na
> venezuela"
> ou que seja...
> o conteudo desse editorial eh verdadeiro...nos nao estamos falando nada
> contra os movimentos na venezuela, nos estamos mostrando o que o chavez
> tah fazendo no seu governo e sim estamos questionando suas acoes porque
> elas obviamente estao indo contra ao seu discurso..
> se alguem tem qualquer informacao que mostre que isso esta errado..eu
> dou toda a forca para que re-escreva o editorial colocando essas
> informacoes..porque isso ira ajudar muitas pessoas
> que nao entende porque que ele esta fazendo esses negocios com a texaco
> e com a microsoft...
> nao apenas diga que nao podemos aprovar porque nao eh bom pra isso ou
> pra aquilo...
> informacao verdadeira eh sempre boa..indymedia nao contra a
> informacao..indymedia tem que passar a informacao adiante..
> nao podemos apenas mostrar aquilo que aparenta bem aos olhos das
> pessoas.. entao, a nao ser que alguem tenha boa informacao para
> re-fazer esse editorial, eu nao vejo uma razao sequer para nao subir
> esse editorial.. ciao
> toya
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> 1)PLEASE. Do not send again feature proposals to both lists.
>> (editoriales and features). It gets more difficult to aprove or
>> modifie a feature.
>>
>> 2)I dont want to discuss again this issues with you. Please. We had
>> enough.
>> The feature proposal did not say anything less than the truth. Chávez
>> is not against neoliberalism and US. You cant deny that. Youre
>> freaking out because the feature said bad things about Chávez, and in
>> your mind everyone
>> who says bad things about Chávez supports US, Bush and etc.
>>
>> 3)How can only one political view say whats right or wrong for a
>> feature here??Instead of blocking the first proposal feature, you
>> could propose some modifications. It would be better. The other
>> feature about the referendum and Venezuela you aproved without the
>> consent of everybody. This
>> isnt what indymedia stands for.
>>
>> Im sorry, but I dont have time do discuss via email. As I said before,
>> I respect your political view(thou a completely desagree). So, Im
>> gonna leave
>> www-editoriales list.
>>
>> Salud!
>> Report
>> imc-brasil
>> *****************************************************************
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Citando Alis inWonderland <alissefue en hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> [EN] [ES]...
>>>
>>> [en]
>>> I AM NOT ON THE LISTS EITHER FOR THIS DISTRIBUTION. THIS IS IN
>>> RESPONSE TO
>>> THE PROPOSAL FOR `CHAVEZ TEXACO` ARTICLES AS FEATURE. (I AM A
>>> USAMERICAN
>>>
>>> FILMMAKER INDEPENDENTLY WORKING IN CARACAS).
>>>
>>> In response to the proposal of placing the Microsoft-Texaco treaties
>>> with
>>>
>>> Chavez as premiere, I would like to add two remarks:
>>>
>>> The first is that in the global context of grassroots _war_ that
>>> Venezuelan
>>> activists, community leaders, and organizers are in combat with on a
>>> daily
>>> basis, we must be sensitive in the portrayal of its movement and
>>> revolution,
>>> whose fate of survival or sabotage may be decided haphazardly by the
>>> dim-lit
>>> awareness of the international community, well-known to leap into
>>> conclusions without having ever grounded a realistic concept of the
>>> process.
>>> In this case, the process is the Bolivarian Revolution that had been
>>> incited
>>> by popular actions since the late 80s and continues in popular
>>> momentum,
>>>
>>> cultivating leaders such as Chavez, and not vice versa.
>>>
>>> Therefore, we must realize that the unification of a myriad of
>>> battles, which forms the Bolivarian front, _cannot be illegitimized_
>>> by any singular,
>>> albeit grossly misguiding, action of the president, who acts more as
>>> an instrument to the people, in the case of Venezuela today, as
>>> scarcely anywhere else. (Being aware of the super-fine tightrope he
>>> must walk upon
>>> in
>>> a democratic country with 40%+ of high-exec. capitalist opposition in
>>> the
>>>
>>> electoral body.)
>>>
>>> To raise the alarm for these treaties, yes. But such criticism - as
>>> necessary as it is - must be done with due attention to the nature of
>>> the
>>>
>>> Venezuelan process, of which many might learn, lamentably, through
>>> such articles alone. Especially since the uphill-battle nature of the
>>> process is
>>> only in its beginnings of repairing the damages and grievances of 500
>>> years
>>> of moral, territorial, and political slavery, and will not succeed
>>> overnight.
>>>
>>> The second remark is a suggestion  to place articles that do sound
>>> with the
>>> trumpets of popular resistance and direct action. The Pachamérican
>>> Day of
>>>
>>> Global Action, October 12th, would be a prime selection
>>> (http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/), as it converges
>>> political
>>>
>>> rebellion at the level of the bases, while calling for the
>>> dissolution of
>>>
>>> borders that are maintained by the works of compromising treaties and
>>> irresponsible media alike.
>>>
>>> PROPOSAL: PACHAMERICAN DAY OF GLOBAL ACTION AS PREMIERE FEATURE
>>> ARTICLE
>>>
>>> [es]
>>> YO TAMPOCO ESTOY EN LAS LISTAS PARA ESTA DISTRIBUCION. ESTO ES UNA
>>> RESPUESTA
>>> AL ARTICULO DE “CHAVEZ-TEXACO” COMO FEATURE. SOY UNA CINEASTA
>>> INDEPENDIENTE
>>> DE LOS ESTAMOS UNDIDOS TRABAJANDO EN CARACAS.
>>>
>>> En el contexto global de -la guerra- popular que los activistos,
>>> lideres
>>>
>>> comunitarios, y coordinadores venzolanos encuentran cada dia, tenemos
>>> que
>>>
>>> ser muy sensible en como describimos la cara de este movimiento y
>>> revolucion, el destino de cual puede ser determinado – la
>>> sobrevivencia o
>>> el
>>> saboteo – por la quasi-conciencia malformada de la communidad
>>> internacional,
>>> que ya sabemos pueden hacer conclusiones sin saber bien el proceso
>>> realisto
>>> como tal. En este caso, el proceso es la Revolucion Bolivariano que
>>> fue hecho por los acciones populares desde los 80s y continua con
>>> esta inertia
>>> popular, creando lideres como Chavez, no al reverso
>>>
>>> Entonces, debemos que entender que la unificacion de todas las luchas
>>> que
>>>
>>> forma el frente bolivariano – no puede ser hecho illigito – por
>>> cualquier
>>>
>>> accion singular, aun bastante inconsistente y incomprehensible – del
>>> president, quien actua como instrumento del pueblo, hoy en Venezuela,
>>> como
>>> en casi ningun otro lugar. (Recordamos que existe en el pais
>>> democratico,
>>>
>>> 40%+ de oposicion capitalisto votando.)
>>>
>>> A llevar alarma por cause de los tratados – si, claro. Pero  la
>>> critica,
>>>
>>> aunque sea necessario, debe ser hecho con cuidado y atention al
>>> proceso venezolan, porque mucha gente puede aprender del proceso
>>> solamente tras articulas asi. Y ests proceso sigue luchando contra
>>> montanas de obstaculos,
>>> en la enfancia de una lucha para reconstruir un pais despues de 500
>>> anos de
>>> esclavitud moral, territorial, political.. y no va a lograr todo en
>>> un dia.
>>>
>>> Ademas, propongo meter la llamada por el Dia Pachamericano el 12 de
>>> octubre,
>>> como dia de accion global, creido por los pueblo en una convergencia
>>> de rebellion, llamando el caido de las fronteras,  las creidos por
>>> los tratados
>>> y los medios irresponsibables como junto. Link:
>>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>>
>>> PROPONGO ARTICULO : DIA DE ACCION GLOBAL VENEZUELA-PACHAMERICA COMO
>>> FEATURE.
>>>
>>> sophie
>>>
>>> >From: "Marcelo Andrade" <marcelo en calleymedia.org>
>>> >To: <txinsurrection en riseup.net>
>>> >CC: <gerenapr en riseup.net>, <guido en stopimperialism.be>,
>>> ><www-features en lists.indymedia.org>,
>>> <www-editoriales en lists.indymedia.org>,
>>> >  <alissefue en hotmail.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: [www-features] feature proposal :
>>> >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:00:21 -0400 (EDT)
>>> >
>>> >Abajo en castellano [ES]...
>>> >
>>> >[EN]
>>> >i don't have access to the features nor editoriales lists, so if
>>> someone
>>>
>>> >can
>>> >please send this proposal to the lists that would be good.
>>> >
>>> >my name is marcelo and i am a venezuelan activist member of the
>>> >calle y media collective (part of the ANMCLA network that connects
>>> >more than
>>> 200
>>> >media colletives and that is currently trying to start indymedia
>>> >venezuela).
>>> >i read the feature proposed by the compañer en s from indymedia brasil.
>>> >as
>>> a
>>> >matter of fact, i think it is a good article and that, one way or
>>> another,
>>> >it should go up. The sentence that is a little uninformed, though,
>>> >is
>>> this
>>> >one:“The silence and the non-resistence of the popular movements
>>> >just amplified
>>> >this situation, disarticulated by the expectations of the left
>>> government
>>> >speech.”
>>> >That should be rephrased for the reasons i will explain below and
>>> >this article should accompany one that touches more on the
>>> >complexities:
>>> >
>>> >My real problem with the article is that it definitely doesn't stand
>>> alone
>>> >as a feature in itself. the venezuelan reality is much more complex
>>> than
>>> >"signing or not signing with corporations", and that, different from
>>> what
>>> >the corporate media shows as “chavismo”, this revolution is not the
>>> >revolution of a freaking leader (if not, ask the hundreds of wounded
>>> that
>>> >took the streets to fight against the fascist dictatorship when
>>> >there
>>> was
>>> >not one government official around after the coup of 2002). what i
>>> >mean
>>> is
>>> >that articles like this give an image of the bolivarian revolution
>>> >as
>>> if
>>> it
>>> >is something chavez thought of and convinced us all to follow him.
>>> Please,
>>> >comrades, try to research a little venezuelan history… the
>>> >bolivarian movement as a radical and self-defined way to see our
>>> >liberation
>>> started
>>> >long before chavez even came into the picture… and in 1989, when the
>>> people
>>> >took the streets to fight neoliberalism resulting in more than 3000
>>> >massacred by the military, chavez was only known at his household.
>>> >So please
>>> >don’t follow into the corporate media’s game of showing the
>>> >bolivarian revolution as “chavez’s revolution”... THE BOLIVARIAN
>>> >REVOLUTION IS OURS!...
>>> >from the millions of peoples that across this land are fighting for
>>> local
>>> >democracy, for the future of our children, for sending to hell the
>>> freaking
>>> >oligarchy that has exploited us for ages... this is the revolution
>>> >of
>>> the
>>> >people who, by the way, are now occupaying city halls across the
>>> country
>>> >demanding that the “revolutionary political parties” stop imposing
>>> >candidates from above... in short, this is the revolution of
>>> >millions
>>> of
>>> >venezuelans, not chavez’s!
>>> >As i said, the article by imc brasil is good (except that sentence)
>>> >in
>>> that
>>> >now is the time to go into offensive against the corrupt
>>> “revolutionary”
>>> >neoliberals (i would actually like to publish it on venezuelan
>>> >sites). However, for an international context it should be an
>>> >addition to an article
>>> >that perhaps touches on these complexities a little more, that
>>> establishes
>>> >differences between the popular movements that ARE the bolivarian
>>> >revolution
>>> >and the neoliberal elements that still dominate many sections of the
>>> State
>>> >under the guise of “revolutionaries”.
>>> >We prepared an article for the indymedia puerto rico that was
>>> >supposed
>>> to
>>> >circulate as a proposal for feature on the lists. I don’t know if it
>>> did,
>>> >but here it goes again. It talks about a call that came out of the
>>> european
>>> >pga conference (where some of us particpated too). The article calls
>>> for
>>> a
>>> >global day of action supporting THE AUTONOMOUS MOVEMENTS of the
>>> BOLIVARIAN
>>> >REVOLUTION of venezuela and the pachamerican struggles. The article
>>> talks
>>> >about the empire’s effort in keeping its good business by buying
>>> sectors
>>> of
>>> >the “revolutionary” government.
>>> >Our proposal would then be for this article to be the feature (IT
>>> >MIGHT
>>>
>>> >ALSO
>>> >BE MORE LEGITIMATE SINCE THIS CALL HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN ASSEMBLIES
>>> >IN VENEZUELA) and for the microsoft/texaco article to be an addition
>>> (because
>>> >it is actually good backup for the article if that sentenced
>>> >mentioned earlier is rephrased).
>>> >all right
>>> >pachamerican hugs to all
>>> >marcelo
>>> >here is the PROPOSED ARTICLE:
>>> >also found at  http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >October 12th: Global Day of Action in Support of the Autonomous
>>> Movements
>>> >of
>>> >the Bolivarian Revolution of Venezuela and the Pachamerican
>>> >Struggles
>>> >
>>> >This date, commonly used to celebrate colonial genocide under the
>>> >name
>>> of
>>> >"Columbus Day", will now be re-appropriated in defense of the
>>> autonomous
>>> >movements of the Bolivarian Revolution of Venezuela, the emerging
>>> >Pachamerican rebellions, and the empowerment of all struggling
>>> >peoples
>>> of
>>> >the world.
>>> >
>>> >The systemic genocide initiated by the conquering of Pachamerica,
>>> >symbolized
>>> >by Columbus, continues today with the military intervention of the
>>> >USA
>>> and
>>> >the European Union, in addition to the corporate looting of the
>>> continents.
>>> >Recently the intervention by the western military/corporate machines
>>> >in Iraq, in the pursuit for oil and domination over the Arab world,
>>> continues
>>> >with the attempts of interventions and coup d'etat in Venezuela.
>>> >
>>> >In Venezuela a crucial moment is emerging after the August 15th
>>> referendum.
>>> >A situation that has to do with the popular movements that support
>>> >President
>>> >Chavez against the politics of intervention of the USA in the region
>>> (Plan
>>> >Colombia, Free Trade of the Americas, etc), but that also tries to
>>> break
>>> >with the corrupt, bureaucratic elites that have infiltrated the
>>> >revolutionary process to try become the new ruling class.
>>> >
>>> >Although Chávez won the referendum, the attacks by the US/European
>>> powers
>>> >will not cease. But the Empire´s most lethal attack, perhaps, will
>>> >be
>>> its
>>> >attempt to slow down the radicalization of the process through the
>>> >“revolutionary” bureaucracy that will try to use the popular victory
>>> >of August 15th to strengthen its power within the State and continue
>>> >the selling of the country to transnational corporations. In that
>>> >sense,
>>> the
>>> >victory in Venezuela cannot be seen as a simple electoral victory,
>>> >but
>>> as a
>>> >victory that will be defined on the streets and through the daily
>>> struggles
>>> >of organized communities. The Bolivarian Revolution, after all, is
>>> >not
>>> the
>>> >revolution of a leader, but that of a people who, linking efforts
>>> >with other
>>> >struggles, refuse to be slaves. It is our duty, then, to defend this
>>> >radicalization.
>>> >
>>> >We call on all the social movements that have been mobilized against
>>> >neoliberalism and global capitalist institutions (World Trade
>>> Organization,
>>> >International Monetary Fund, G8, etc), in addition to all the
>>> >peoples
>>> of
>>>
>>> >the
>>> >world who fight for dignity, self-organization and humanity, to take
>>> the
>>> >streets on October 12th in support of the struggles in Venezuela,
>>> >all
>>> the
>>> >Pachamerica, and around this Earth that is rising up.
>>> >
>>> >For a Free Pachamama!... a united struggle!
>>> >
>>> >-----------
>>> >* Bolivarian: Referring to the emancipation struggles led by Simon
>>> Bolivar
>>> >in the Pachamerica against the Spanish Empire in the 19th century.
>>> >
>>> >* Pachamerica: The rebellious continent between Alaska and
>>> >Patagonia; “Pacha” is “Earth”; “Pachamama” means “Mother Earth”;
>>> >“America” is the colonial name imposed by European imperialism.
>>> >“Pachamerican” assume
>>> that
>>> >their history doesn’t start with the arrival of the European
>>> conquerors,
>>>
>>> >but
>>> >recognize their indigenous roots.
>>> >
>>> >**(More on Pachamerica) From our indigenous, black, white and
>>> >mestiza
>>> roots
>>> >emerges a particular way of struggle. With the Pachamerica, we are
>>> >revindicating the indigenous vision of "Pachamama", Mother Earth,
>>> >and
>>> in
>>> >that way we assume our struggle as connected to that of all peoples
>>> around
>>> >the world. Pachamerica is about imagining ourselves as peoples that
>>> >transcend a supposed "Latin America" or "North America", since these
>>> >concepts impose a colonial vision that ignores our indigenous
>>> >history
>>> and
>>> >tries to separate us from our brothers and sisters north, south,
>>> >east
>>> and
>>> >west of our lands. In that sense, more than being "Latin Americans"
>>> >or "North Americans", we are "Pachamericans", because our continent
>>> >is diverse,
>>> >multiethnic and infinite... but fights united.
>>> >
>>> >illustration:
>>> >http://images.indymedia.org/imc/prico/pacha_poster_small_o12.jpg
>>> >--------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >[ES]
>>> >No tengo acceso a las listas de features o de editoriales, asi que
>>> >si alguien le puede mandar esto a las listas seria un gran favor.
>>> >
>>> >Mi nombre es marcelo y soy un activista venezolano miembro del
>>> colectivo
>>> >“calle y media” (parte de la red ANMCLA que agrupa a mas de 200
>>> colectivos
>>> >de medios y que esta tratando de empezar indymedia venezuela). Lei
>>> >el articulo propuesto por l en s compañer en s de cmi brasil. De hecho,
>>> me
>>> >parece un buen articulo y creo que, de una u otra forma, deberia
>>> >subir.
>>> La
>>> >oracion que resulta un poco desinformada, sin embargo, es esta: “el
>>> >silencio y la no-resistencia de los movimientos populares ha
>>> >amplificado
>>> >esta situacion, desarticulados por las expectativas dadas por el
>>> discuros
>>> >del gobierno de izquerda”.
>>> >Esa oracion deberia ser cambiada por las razones que apuntare aqui
>>> abajo
>>> y
>>> >el articulo deberia complementar a uno que toque mas estas
>>> complejidades:
>>> >
>>> >Mi verdadero problema con el articulo es que creo que
>>> >definitivamente
>>> no
>>> es
>>> >lo suficientemente completo como para ser un editorial en si mismo.
>>> >La realidad venezolana es mucho mas compleja que “firmar o no firmar
>>> >con
>>> las
>>> >corporaciones”, y que a diferencia de lo que los media privados
>>> muestran
>>> >como “chavismo”, esta revolucion no es la revolucion de un fulano
>>> >lider
>>> (si
>>> >no, preguntenle a las cientos de personas que resultaron heridas al
>>> luchar
>>> >en las calles contra la dictadura fascista cuando no quedo ni un
>>> >solo oficial de gobierno tras el golpe de 2002. a lo que me refiero
>>> >es que articulos como este dan una imagen de la revolucion
>>> >bolivariana que la pinta
>>> >como a si fuera idea de chavez y de que gracias a su labia nos
>>> convincio
>>> a
>>> >tod en s de esto. Por favor, camaradas, traten de estudiar un poco mas
>>> >la historia venezolana... el movimiento bolivariano como forma
>>> >radical y autoctona de visualizar nuestra liberacion empezo
>>> >muchisimo antes de
>>> que
>>> >chavez apareciera... y en 1989, cuando el pueblo salio a la calle
>>> >masivamente para protestar contra el paquete neoliberal de carlos
>>> andres
>>> >perez, y que resulto en mas de 3000 masacrados por el ejercito, a
>>> chavez
>>> lo
>>> >conocian en su casa si acaso.
>>> >Asi que por favor no caigan en el juego de los media privados de
>>> >pintar
>>> la
>>> >revolucion bolivariana como la “revolucion de chavez”... LA
>>> >REVOLUCION BOLIVARIANA ES NUESTRA!... de las millones de personas
>>> >que a lo largo
>>> de
>>> >esta tierra luchan por el poder popular, por el futuro de nuestr en s
>>> hij en s,
>>> >para terminar de mandar al diablo a la oligarquia que nos ha
>>> >explotado
>>> por
>>> >siglos... esta es la revolucion de la gente que, por cierto, esta
>>> >ahora tomando las alcaldias exigiendo que cesen las postulaciones de
>>> candidatos
>>> >impuestos por los partidos politicos “revolucionarios”. En corto,
>>> >esta
>>> es
>>> >la
>>> >revolucion de millones de venezolan en s y no de chavez!
>>> >Como dije antes, creo que el articulo del cmi brasil es bueno
>>> (exceptuando
>>> >la oracion señalada) en que es ahora precisamente en que tenemos que
>>> >articular la ofensiva contra los “revolucionarios” neoliberales en
>>> >el gobierno (de hecho, me gustaria publicar el articulo en paginas
>>> >venezolanas). Sin embargo, en un contexto internacional deberia ir
>>> >en adicion a un articulo que toque de forma mas profunda las
>>> >complejidades
>>> ya
>>> >mencionadas, y que marque una diferencia clara entre las movimientos
>>> >populares que SOMOS la revolucion bolivariana y los elementos
>>> neoliberales
>>> >que siguen dominando partes del Estado bajo el disfraz de
>>> >“revolucionarios”.
>>> >nosotr en s preparamos un articulo para indymedia puerto rico que se
>>> suponia
>>> >debia circular como propuesta para feature por las listas. No se si
>>> circulo
>>> >o no, pero aqui va de nuevo. Habla sobre un llamado que salio desde
>>> >la conferencia de la agp europa (donde algun en s de nosotr en s
>>> >participamos).
>>> Es
>>> >un
>>> >llamado a dia de accion global en apoyo a LOS MOVIMIENTOS AUTONOMOS
>>> >de
>>> la
>>> >REVOLUCION BOLIVARIANA de venezuela y las luchas pachamericanas. El
>>> >articulo
>>> >habla sobre los esfuerzos del imperio por seguir sus negocias
>>> >mediante
>>> la
>>> >compra de sectores del gobierno “revolucionario”.
>>> >Nuestra propuesta seria entonces que este articulo fuera el feature
>>> >(ADEMAS,
>>> >QUIZA SERIA MAS LEGITIMA YA QUE ESTE LLAMADO HA SIDO DISCUTIDO EN
>>> ASAMBLEAS
>>> >EN VENEZUELA) y que el articulo de microsoft/texaco fuese un anexo
>>> (porque
>>> >de hecho seria buen respaldo para el articulo propuesto siempre y
>>> cuando
>>> se
>>> >modifique la oracion mencionada anteriormente).
>>> >Muy bien
>>> >Abrazos pachamericanos para tod en s!
>>> >Marcelo
>>> >Aqui esta el ARTICULO PROPUESTO:
>>> >tambien se puede encontrar en
>>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>> >
>>> >12 de Octubre: DÍA DE ACCIÓN GLOBAL En Apoyo a los Movimientos
>>> Autónomos
>>> de
>>> >la Revolución Bolivariana* de Venezuela y las Luchas
>>> >Pachamericanas*.
>>> >
>>> >Este día, comúnmente utilizado para celebrar el genocidio colonial
>>> >bajo
>>> el
>>> >nombre de “Día del Descubrimiento”, será este año reapropiado en
>>> >apoyo
>>> a
>>>
>>> >los
>>> >movimientos autónomos de la Revolución Bolivariana de Venezuela, las
>>> >rebeliones emergentes de la Pachamérica, y el fortalecimiento de
>>> >todos
>>> los
>>> >pueblos que luchan en el mundo.
>>> >
>>> >El genocidio sistemático que se inició con la conquista de la
>>> Pachamérica,
>>> >encabezada por Cristóbal Colón, continúa hoy en día con las
>>> intervenciones
>>> >militares de los Estados Unidos y la Unión Europea, además del
>>> >continuo saqueo perpetuado por las grandes corporaciones
>>> >trasnacionales sobre
>>> sus
>>> >neo-colonias (es decir, todo el mundo no-industrializado).
>>> Recientemente,
>>> >la
>>> >invasión de Irak por parte del aparato militar de Occidente, con el
>>> mero
>>> >objetivo de dominar y controlar el petróleo en el mundo árabe,
>>> >continúa
>>> con
>>> >los intentos de intervención y golpes de Estado en Venezuela.
>>> >
>>> >Sin embargo, en este país se está llegando a un punto crucial del
>>> proceso
>>> >revolucionario bolivariano producto del referéndum del pasado 15 de
>>> Agosto.
>>> >Una situación que tiene que ver con los movimientos populares que
>>> apoyan
>>> al
>>> >Presidente electo Hugo Chávez frente a las políticas de intervención
>>> >de
>>> los
>>> >Estados Unidos en la región (Plan Colombia, ALCA, etc.), pero que
>>> también
>>> >buscan desprenderse de las élites burocráticas y corruptas que se
>>> >han filtrado en este proceso para tratar de convertirse en una nueva
>>> >clase dominante.
>>> >
>>> >Los ataques por parte de Estados Unidos y Europa no cesarán, incluso
>>> tras
>>> >la
>>> >victoria de Chávez en el referéndum. Pero el ataque más letal del
>>> Imperio,
>>> >quizá, será tratar de desacelerar el proceso revolucionario por
>>> >medio
>>> de
>>> la
>>> >nueva élite burocrática y corrupta que intentará por todos los
>>> >medios
>>> de
>>> >usar la victoria popular del 15 de Agosto para afianzar su poder y
>>> >continuar
>>> >la venta del país a corporaciones trasnacionales. En ese sentido, la
>>> >victoria en Venezuela no se puede ver desde un plano simplemente
>>> electoral,
>>> >sino que esta victoria se definirá en las calles y con la lucha
>>> >diaria
>>> de
>>> >las comunidades organizadas. La Revolución Bolivariana, a fin de
>>> cuentas,
>>> >no
>>> >es la revolución de un líder, pero sí de un pueblo que, uniendo
>>> esfuerzos
>>> >con otr en s que luchan por el mundo, se ha negado a seguir siendo
>>> esclavo.
>>> Es
>>> >nuestro deber, entonces, defender esta radicalización.
>>> >
>>> >Llamamos a todos los movimientos sociales que se han venido luchando
>>> contra
>>> >el neoliberalismo e instituciones del capitalismo global
>>> >(Organización Mundial del Comercio, Fondo Monetario Internacional,
>>> >G8, etc), así como
>>> a
>>> >los pueblos que luchan en el mundo por dignidad, autonomía y
>>> >humanidad,
>>>
>>> >para
>>> >que salgan a las calles el próximo 12 de Octubre en apoyo a las
>>> >luchas
>>> de
>>> >Venezuela, de toda la Pachamérica, y de esta Tierra que se levanta.
>>> >
>>> >¡Por la Pachamama libre!... ¡una lucha unida!
>>> >
>>> >-----------
>>> >* Bolivariana: en referencia a las luchas emancipadoras lideradas
>>> >por
>>> Simón
>>> >Bolívar en la Pachamérica contra el imperio español del siglo XIX.
>>> >
>>> >*Pachamérica: El continente rebelde comprendido entre Alaska y
>>> Patagonia.
>>> >“Pacha” significa “Tierra”, “Pachamama” es “Madre Tierra”. “América”
>>> >es
>>> el
>>> >nombre colonial impuesto por el imperialismo Europeo. Pachamérica
>>> >asume
>>> que
>>> >su historia no comienza con la llegada de los conquistadores
>>> >europeos,
>>> sino
>>> >que reconoce sus raíces indígenas, negras, blancas y mestizas,
>>> ignoradas
>>> en
>>> >términos excluyentes como “Latinoamérica”.
>>> >
>>> >**(Más sobre Pachamerica): De lo profundo de nuestras raíces
>>> >indígenas, negras, blancas y mestizas, surge una forma particular de
>>> >lucha. Reivindicamos la visión indígena de la Pachamama, la Madre
>>> >Tierra, y en
>>> ese
>>> >sentido vemos nuestra lucha hermanada con las de todos los pueblos
>>> >que
>>> se
>>> >enfrentan al capitalismo y al colonialismo por el mundo. Llamamos
>>> >Pachamérica al continente rebelde entre Alaska y Patagonia,
>>> imaginándonos
>>> >como pueblos que trascienden una supuesta “America Latina” o
>>> >“Norteamérica”,
>>> >ya que esos conceptos nos imponen una vision colonial que ignora
>>> nuestra
>>> >historia indígena y buscan separarnos de nuestr en s herman en s al norte,
>>> sur,
>>> >este y oeste de nuestras tierras. Nuestro continente es diverso,
>>> >multiétnico
>>> >e infinito… pero lucha unido.
>>> >
>>> >ilustracion:
>>> >http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/08/pacha_afiche_chico_o12.jpg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> > > [en]
>>> > > My main concern is the wording which suggests that Chavez's
>>> government
>>> > > and the Bolivarian revolution are the same thing.  Chavez
>>> > > certainly does support certain neoliberal projects.  However we
>>> > > should not use this as an excuse to disparage the multitude of
>>> > > social actors who struggle in their rural and urban communities,
>>> > > against capitalism
>>> and
>>> > > for self-sustaining ways of living.  My general feeling is that
>>> > > this proposal was written with no understanding whatever of what
>>> > > it is
>>> like
>>> > > to be poor in Venezuela, and is simply playing out a personal
>>> vendetta.
>>> > >
>>> > > [es]
>>> > > Mi objeción principal es la fraseología que sugiere que el
>>> > > gobierno
>>> de
>>> > > Chavez y la revolución Bolivariana sean la misma cosa. Chavez
>>> > > apoya, ciertamente, ciertos proyectos neoliberal. Sin embargo no
>>> > > debemos utilizar esto como excusa para desacreditar la
>>> > > multiplicidad de los agentes sociales que luchan en sus
>>> > > comunidades rurales y urbanas, contra
>>> > > capitalismo y para las maneras independientes económicamente de
>>> vivir.
>>> > > Mi sensación general es que esta propuesta fue escrita sin
>>> > > entender
>>> la
>>> > > experiencia de los pobres en Venezuela, y está simplemente un
>>> resultado
>>> > > de un vendetta personal.
>>> > >
>>> > > bb
>>> > >
>>> > >> I raise objections because it does not elaborate the plans and
>>> social
>>> > >> misions the organized comunities have fight for. Profits of this
>>> > >> business of the venezuelan government are used fully in social
>>> > >> development of programs.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Trying to put Chavez in the same room as Bush and Lula is and
>>> > >> extraordinary lie such as the lies that the referendum was
>>> > >> stained with fraud as some IMC and other alternative media tried
>>> > >> to make believe.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Please, let's have a talk, a debate about this.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Gerena,
>>> > >> PR IMC
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ESPAñOL/SPANISH:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Yo levanto mi objeción, y bloqueo si se puede este feature. No
>>> elabora
>>> > >> en que las ganancias de los negocios del gobierno venezolano son
>>> para
>>> > >> invertir directamente en programas y misiones sociales en las
>>> > >> comunidades organizadas por millones en Venezuela.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Intentar pintar a Chavez en el mismo caurto neoliberal de Bush Y
>>> Lula
>>> > >> seria una afrenta y una gran mentira como aquella que publicaron
>>> > >> en medios alternativos sobre que habia fraude en el referendum
>>> > >> venezolano.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Por favor, que se discuta con mayor profundidad.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Gerena,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> CMI-Puerto Rico
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> hi,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> for me it's fine. I can put in into html this afternoon if
>>> > >>> nobody
>>> has
>>> > >>> objections,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> greetings, Guido_
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Hi everyone... =)
>>> > >>>> This is a feature made by the IMC Brasil... i just translated
>>> into
>>> > >>>> english... There are more links about the subject in the
>>> > >>>> uruguay imc... i
>>> > >>>> need to find that... it is not in html...
>>> > >>>> What do you guys think?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Pina
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Title: Chavéz, Chevron and Microsoft
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Despite all the expectations of depeem the bolivarian process,
>>> the
>>> > >>>> presidente Hugo Chavés Frias, made 2 partnership with the
>>> > >>>> multinacionals
>>> > >>>> companies Chevron-Texaco and Microsoft. Both agreements was
>>> signed
>>> > >>>> before
>>> > >>>> the referedum took place, but was deliberately mugged by the
>>> > >>>> progressive
>>> > >>>> media and ignored by the conservative media.
>>> > >>>> One of them is a binacional gasoduto, sponsor by the Venezuela
>>> > >>>> government
>>> > >>>> and the Colombia government and coordinated by the american
>>> > >>>> multinacional
>>> > >>>> Chevron-Texaco. Acording to Chavéz it´s a “direct way out of
>>> > >>>> this giant asian market”. To construct the gasoduto, Venezuela
>>> volunteer
>>> > >>>> enter in the
>>> > >>>> Pan Pueblo Panamá, a collection of infra-structure with the
>>> > >>>> objective to
>>> > >>>> answer to the american multinacionals needs.
>>> > >>>> Parallel to that, the Venezuela´s governmet, through the
>>> education
>>> > >>>> ministry  signed with Microsoft a contract to proved softwares
>>> > >>>> to the schools across the country, contradicting the incentive
>>> police
>>> > >>>> to free software, wich the government was adopting until
>>> > >>>> Felipe Péres left the Planification and Development Ministry.
>>> > >>>> According
>>> to
>>> > >>>> Richard Stallman, the
>>> > >>>> creator of the GNU movement (free software) “The Venezuela´s
>>> > >>>> government just made a critical error, wich consequences will
>>> give
>>> > >>>> the to a global corporation: make a contract with Microsoft to
>>> use
>>> > >>>> the program in the schools.”
>>> > >>>> The silence and the non-resistence of the popular movements
>>> > >>>> just amplified
>>> > >>>> this situation, disarticulated by the expectations of the left
>>> > >>>> government
>>> > >>>> speech. In case Chavéz continue with immune posture before
>>> popular
>>> > >>>> movements, we will see those movements fight against the local
>>> > >>>> bourgeoisie
>>> > >>>>  just to let a free way to the global bourgeoisie, wich has no
>>> > >>>>  problem
>>> > >>>> to
>>> > >>>> negotiate with the “bolivarian revolution”.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Links :
>>> > >>>> http://brasil.indymedia.org [pt]
>>> > >>>> http://www.revistarebeldia.org/revistas/019/rebeldia_19.pdf
>>> > >>>> [es]
>>> > >>>> http://www.midiaindependente.org/pt/blue/2004/08/289135.shtml
>>> [pt]
>>> > >>>> http://www.midiaindependente.org/pt/blue/2004/08/289140.shtml
>>> [pt]
>>> > >>>>
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