[Fwd: Re: [www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] feature
anarchobabe at fempages.org
Tue Aug 31 02:31:58 PDT 2004
Personally I would really prefer to have a general guideline, that features
should be written and proposed by people who are living in that country at
that particular time, except if there are exceptional circumstances.
I really can't understand why individuals of other collective feel a
desperate need to write about events in other countries from their own
viewpoint, i thought the whole point of indymedia is to give a voice to the
local people and not to dominate them or to try to speak for them. Apart
from that, we are not mainstream media, we don't have an obligation to
Also in my opinion the local collective should always be asked about a
proposal and be free to change it.
This does in my opinion not only apply to the Venezuela proposals, but also
to the monday protests in Germany, or to other coverage.
I would actually prefer if somebody from Imc Germany writes a feature about
the Monday protests rather if its somebody based in Scotland, Netherlands
And as i am just about to distribute some critisism, I really did not like
the way Blackbeard broke the underlying rule of consensus by putting up a
feature to which there was unresolved opposition. Furthermore, I really do
not like the agressivity of Blackbeard concerning the feature proposals,
particularly as the proposals were made by women, and I found the response
actually non respective and in a way discriminative on that level, too, (
in the way that some men always think they do not need to respect womens
opinion and if they are aggressive enough, the woman/women would give in).
I do think Chavez - Chevron and Microsoft cooperation is a valid critisicm,
and I do not see any need to censor that feature in any way. We are not
here to tell people what to think or to influence history in one way or
another, we are just here to observe and report what is happening. We
should not make the mistake to overestimate the influence of Indymedia on
In my opinion the readers should learn to read news critically anyway, so
if indymedia can help by putting up features from different angles, why
And I am also a bit sick of the women in general who threaten to leave
(the) list(s) if their will is not obeyed. If women want to victimise
themselves by running away from conflict, feel free to do so, but don't
expect any sympathy if you give in the patriarchical pressure of bullying
you out, let's stick together and kick the ass of comrades, who try to
dominate us with their aggressivity and who refuse to listen to us and our
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:28:06 -0700 (PDT), César Gerena
<gerenapr at riseup.net> wrote:
> It's obvious now that brasil imc's proposed feature can't go up because
> does not exist consensus. There are other unitary proposals. We have to
> meet in IRC to debate on this process and how we can balance voices here.
> No personal agendas, solidaridad plena.
> Es obvio que no existe consenso para subir el feature de brasil sobre
> Venezuela, hay otras propuestas unitarias. Si nos vamos a ruenir en IRC
> que se apara discutir estos procesos accidentados y no claros para poder
> balancear voces en este proyecto.
> Sin agendas personales, solidaridad plena.
>> [en] (es abajo)
>> Can we set up an IRC chat meeting to discuss this together?
>> I am reading a diversity of opinion here. Some are completely against
>> proposal. Some are completely for it. It seems to me the most moderate
>> opinion is the only Venezuelan voice in the group. Marcelo wants the
>> factual content of the proposal from some of our Brazilian comrades to
>> published. He also, however, wants a distinction to be made between the
>> bolivarian movement and the government. This is critical. He also
>> to spread word about an international day of action in support of the
>> autonomous movements in Venezuela, which has already been endorsed by
>> numerous organizations in several countries.
>> I believe we can come to a consensus, but I think we must be willing to
>> collaborate on a story that demonstrates the complexity of the
>> not trying to argue pro-or anti-Chavez. What I believe we must support
>> regardless are the people of Venezuela, who once resisted the imposition
>> of the IMF and died by the thousands for a better world, the world all
>> us at Indymedia want.
>> Shall we schedule a meeting?
>> ¿Podemos programar una chat del IRC para discutir esto juntos?
>> Estoy leyendo una diversidad de la opinión aquí. Algunos están
>> contra la oferta. Algunos están totalmente para esta. Se parece a mí que
>> la opinión más moderada es la única voz venezuelano en el grupo. Marcelo
>> quisiera que la información objetiva de la oferta de algunos de nuestros
>> companeros brasileños fuera publicada. Él también, sin embargo, quisiera
>> que una distinción fuera hecha entre el movimiento bolivarian y el
>> gobierno. Esto es crítico. Él también desea distribuir palabra sobre un
>> día internacional de la acción en solidaridad de los movimientos
>> en Venezuela, que ha sido endosada ya por organizaciones numerosas en
>> varios países.
>> Creo podemos venir a un consenso, pero pienso que debemos estar
>> a colaborar en una historia que demuestre la complejidad de la
>> no intentando discutir pro-o el anti-Chavez. Qué creo que debemos apoyar
>> cueste lo que cueste es la gente de Venezuela, que se opuso a la
>> imposición del FMI y murió una vez por los millares para un mundo mejor,
>> el mundo que todos nosotros en Indymedia desea.
>> ¿programar una reunión?
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