[www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] PROPUESTA: Asambleas

[felipecas at riseup.net]

[english][portunol abajo]
Hello,

Well. The feature got up by mistake actually. We were already discussing
about it and guidoke put the feature up. He done it by mistake, he didnt
had any bad intention on that. The thing is that people on editoriales dont
have a log for admin in the global site (only Pina) and we have to wait
until someone or Pina put that up. This is bad, but first we should discuss
the consensus process to distribute some logs. Remembering that´s the admin
for the global indy site, thats why we should be very careful on giving it
to people.

About the consensus process. Pina, I think we should create a new one for
www-editoriales and not just translate the process for www-features.

About this new feature proposal. I actually didnt had time to read it. But
talking about the Chevron-Texaco feature. If the feature is wrong or has
some mistakes we should fix that and try to get in a consensus. 

I agree with BB on that irc meeting. We could discuss the consensus process
and get everything clear to become friends and do a nice job in
www-editoriales. :)

[portunol]
Hola,

Bueno. The feature fue promovido por engano en verdad. Estabamos discutindo
y guidoke subiste el editorial por engano. Elle hizo por engano, no por
maldad. La cosa es que las personas de editoriales no tiene log para la
administracion (solamente Pina). Eso es malo, mas primero tenemos que
discutir sobre el consensus para distribuir algunos logs. Recordando que la
administracion es para el global site, por eso tenemos que tener cuidado
para distribuir esos logs.

Sobre el processo de consenso. Pina, creo que debemos crear un nuevo para
www-editoriales y no solamente traducirlo de www-features.

Sobre esta nueba proposta de feature. Yo no tive tiempo para leer ainda. Mas
sobre el Chevron-Texaco feature. Se el editorial esta errado o tine alguns
errores nos debemos arrumarlos y llegar al consenso.

Yo concordo con BB sobre el reunion en el chat. Podriamos discutir el
processo de consenso y tener tudo claro entre nosotros para tornarmos
amigos y hacer un bueno trabajo en www-editoriales. :)

Salud!
Report
imc-brasil
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Quoting Libertinus <libertinus at riseup.net>:

> the chevron texaco went up with any agree (was something about 6 hours),
> and
> publish one in condition of post another is patetic, like the
> parlamentarian
> agreements.
> 
> 
> El artículo de chevron y texaco se subió sin ningun acuerdo, por lo menos
> en la
> lista (que es donde se toman las desiciones)y  subir uno en condición de
> otro
> es patético, tipico de parlamentarios.
> 
> marcelo, vos de que indymedia sos??
> 
> 
> -- 
> Libertinus ______________________
> Indymedia Uruguay
> 
> 
> Mensaje citado por Marcelo Andrade <marcelo at calleymedia.org>:
> 
> | [castellano abajo]
> | [english]
> | hi all,
> | the chevron texaco article went up with the condition that this article
> on
> | the popular assemblies would go up, so breaking this would be violating
> in
> | really bad way what we had agreed upon! showing just that chavez has
> | signed these deals and not showing what the people are doing would be
> a
> | really manipulative way to do newsreporting... just like are good
> friends
> | in the corporate media. so please, let´s stick to what we had agreed
> upon
> | and put this article up.
> | thanks
> | marcelo
> | 
> | [castellano]
> | hola tod at s,
> | el articulo de chevron texaco subio con la condicion de que
> inmediatamente
> | despues subiría el artículo de las asambleas populares, asi que romper
> | esto seria violar gravemente lo que habiamos acordado! sacar los
> acuerdos
> | que chavez ha firmado con multinacionales y no mostrar lo que hace la
> | gente seria una forma muy manipuladora de hacer noticia... justo como
> lo
> | hacen nuestros buenos amigos en los media capitalista. asi que por
> favor,
> | vamos a cumplir lo que acordamos y que este articulo suba.
> | gracias
> | marcelo
> | 
> | > [es]
> | >
> | > Hola a todos.
> | >
> | > El destaque de chevron y venezuela subió sin consenso, con errores y
> | > mentiras y con la promesa de que otro artículo de la reacción de los
> | > movimientos sociales a los negocios del gobierno con las
> | > multinacionales.
> | >
> | > Talves no es noticia de último momento, pero es balance y la
> reacción
> | > real de los venezolanos en lucha.
> | >
> | > Seamos justos, es mucho más importante comunicar lo que hacen los
> | > movimientos populares por el cambio real.
> | >
> | > Lo apoyamos.
> | >
> | > Amor y solidaridad plena.
> | >
> | > GerenaPR
> | >
> | > [en]
> | > Hi all.
> | >
> | > The chevron venezuela feature went up without consensus, with
> erroneous
> | > info and lies and with the promise that another aticle of the
> reaction
> | > of social movements to government's business with multinationals
> should
> | > go up.
> | >
> | > Maybe it not a breaking news, but is a balanca and a real reaction
> of
> | > people's to the bolivarian bureaucracy.
> | >
> | > Let's be fair, it's more important to communicate what social
> movements
> | > are doing for a  real change.
> | >
> | > So we support it.
> | >
> | > Love and solidarity.
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >> I feel the same.
> | >>
> | >> Siento lo mismo que Ulla, fue interesante leerlo pero no creo que
> | >> valga una
> | >> portada del sitio mundial.  Tampoco lo bloqueo, simplemente no doy
> mi
> | >> apoyo.
> | >>
> | >> --
> | >> Libertinus ______________________
> | >> Indymedia Uruguay
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> Mensaje citado por Anarcho Babe <anarchobabe at fempages.org>:
> | >>
> | >> | Well, I am not happy with this proposal because it hasn't got
> enough
> | >> "hard"
> | >> | news, it seems to me more to be a commentary than a news item,
> | >> because | there is not a describtion of what happened, when, where,
> | >> why, & who was | involved and and how long.
> | >> |
> | >> | ciao Ulla
> | >> |
> | >> |
> | >> | On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:18:54 -0700 (PDT), Blackbeard
> | >> | <txinsurrection at riseup.net> wrote:
> | >> |
> | >> | > [english below -bb]
> | >> | >
> | >> | > TITLE: Asambleas Populares Plantean "Revolución dentro de la
> | >> Revolución"
> | >> | > SUBTITLE: VENEZUELA : REVOLUCION
> | >> | > IMAGE: http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/09/compache.jpg
> | >> | >
> | >> | > Desde las asambleas de los movimientos populares se plantea que
> se
> | >> el | > momento de acelerar la profundización de la Revolución
> | >> Bolivariana y de
> | >> | > asumir la lucha directa contra la burocracia corrupta que se
> | >> mantiene | > dentro del Estado.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > Tras la victoria popular en el referendum del 15 de Agosto, los
> |
> | >> > movimientos populares trazan su estrategia de lucha para lo que
> han
> | >> | > denominado "Revolucion en la Revolución".
> | >> | >
> | >> | > El Imperio, después de sus consecutivas derrotas en los
> escenarios
> | >> | > golpistas y electoral, parece estar enrumbando su estrategia
> hacia
> | >> la | > dominación del proceso revolucionario por medio de sus
> | >> muchísimos | > enclaves
> | >> | > neoliberales en el gobierno del mismo Chávez. No se descarta,
> | >> obviamente,
> | >> | > planes de violencia que apuntan hacie el asesinato de Chávez,
> pero
> | >> de | > todas formas los movimientos populares se mueven cada vez
> más
> | >> desde una
> | >> | > plataforma de rebelión permanente que se aleja de los ejercicios
> |
> | >> > leguyeros
> | >> | > eternos y lleva la acción a la calle como acto constituyente
> del
> | >> pueblo.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > Se plantea el rechazó a candidatos nombrados a dedo por las
> | >> cúpulas del
> | >> | > poder partidista para las elecciones regionales de alcaldes y |
> >
> | >> gobernadores
> | >> | > a efectuarse en los próximos meses. han habido un sin número de
> | >> acciones
> | >> | > de calle que realizadas por comunidades organizadas por todo el
> | >> país. Las
> | >> | > contradicciones entre los sectores corrupto-neoliberales en el
> | >> gobierno y
> | >> | > los movimientos populares bolivarianos parece acelerarse cada
> vez
> | >> más. La
> | >> | > lucha en Venezuela se va convirtiendo a paso agigantado en
> | >> procesos de | > rebelión permanente y masiva que se enfrenta incluso
> a
> | >> las dinámicas | > partidistas que intentan capitalizar para su
> propia
> | >> gloria el triunfo | > popular del 15 de Agosto.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > Sin embargo, más allá incluso de las dinámicas de lucha local,
> en
> | >> las | > asambleas se habla cada vez más de la necesidad de
> articular
> | >> la | > revolución
> | >> | > bolivariana de venezuela con las demás luchas del continente.
> Todo
> | >> esto
> | >> | > con la conciencia de que para una verdadera profundización de la
> |
> | >> > Revolución Bolivariana, ésta debe dejar de ser sólo Revolución |
> >
> | >> Venezolana,
> | >> | > y convertirse en Revolución Continental.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > [en]
> | >> | > TITLE: Assemblies Plan "Revolution Within the Revolution"
> | >> | > SUBTITLE: VENEZUELA : REVOLUTION
> | >> | > IMAGE: http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/09/compache.jpg
> | >> | >
> | >> | >> From the assemblies of the popular movements, the moment
> arises
> | >> for | > accelerating the deepening of the Bolivariana Revolution,
> and
> | >> for | > assuming
> | >> | > a direct struggle against the corrupt bureaucracy that is still
> |
> | >> > entrenched
> | >> | > within the State.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > After the popular victory in the referendum of the 15 of
> August,
> | >> the | > popular movements are drawing up their strategy of struggle
> | >> which they | > have termed "Revolucion in the Revolution".
> | >> | >
> | >> | > The Empire, after its consecutive defeats in both the coups and
> | >> electoral
> | >> | > processes, seems to be evolving its strategy towards the
> | >> domination of | > the
> | >> | > revolutionary process by means of its numerous neoliberal
> enclaves
> | >> in the
> | >> | > government of the same Chávez. Without discounting the obvious,
> | >> violent
> | >> | > plans that point to the assasination of Chávez, the popular
> | >> movements are
> | >> | > moving more and more towards a platform of permanent rebellion,
> | >> and away
> | >> | > from the eternal "leguyeros" exercises, and escalating to
> street
> | >> actions
> | >> | > as the constituient act of the people.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > One considers the rejection of candidates hand-picked as
> leaders
> | >> of | > partisan power for the regional elections of mayors and
> | >> governors, which
> | >> | > will take place in the next months.  There have been countless
> | >> street | > actions mobilized by organized communitions throughout
> the
> | >> country. The
> | >> | > contradictions within the corrupt neo-liberal sectors in the
> | >> governments,
> | >> | > and the popular bolivarian movements, seem to grow more and
> more
> | >> each | > day.
> | >> | > The struggle in Venezuela has become to accelerate the process
> of
> | >> | > permanent and massive rebellion that even confronts the partisan
> |
> | >> > politicians who, for their own glory, are trying to capitalize on
> | >> the | > popular triumph of August 15.
> | >> | >
> | >> | > Nevertheless, more broadly inclusive than the dynamics of a
> local
> | >> | > struggle, it is being spoken of more and more, in the
> assemblies,
> | >> the | > necessity to articulate the bolivarian revolution of
> Venezuela
> | >> to the | > other struggles of the continent.  All of that with the
> | >> consciousness | > that, for a true deepening of the Bolivarian
> | >> Revolution to take place, it
> | >> | > must cease to be only the Venezuelan Revolution, and transform
> | >> itself | > into
> | >> | > a Continental Revolution.
> | >> | >
> | >> | >
> | >> | >
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