[www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] Re: feature proposal : Venezuela Libre

guido at stopimperialism.be guido at stopimperialism.be
Tue Sep 7 14:09:24 PDT 2004


hi,

is there please just somebody who can send this proposal so that within 
six-seven_eight hours from now it can be standing on the global page if
there is consensus about it?

greetings, guidoke




> [es]
>
> saludos a todos. creemos que hay una propuesta clara,
>
> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/ con videos de las exigencias
> de los movimientos sociales para la profunidazion del proceso bolivariano.
>
> enfoquemosnos en aclarar los procesos, dar mas participacion a cmis
> latinos y no permitamos imposiciones de grupos especificos.
>
> [en]
>
> hi all. we believe that already exists a concrete proposal with videos
> about what social movements are demanding of the bolivarian process.
>
> lets focus and stop arguing stupidities, we have to clear the process,
> decentralize it and not allow impossitions of certain groups.
>
> salud
>
> rao pr
>
>> [es]
>>
>> Ya estamos de acuerdo en que lo centralizado del proceso hay que
>> cambiarlo. Debemos reunirnos en irc. Ahora por favor, permitan, en vez
>> de
>> continuar discutiendo lo que ya estamos de acuerdo, subir las noticias
>> que
>> nos llegan desde Venezuela, no de ningún otro lugar.
>>
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>
>> La justicia tardía no es justicia.
>>
>> GerenaPR
>>
>> [en]
>>
>> We alrdeady know and agree about this centralized process and that have
>> to
>> be changed. We should program a meeting in IRC. Now, please, decide,
>> instead of talking of what is already known, to put up the news that we
>> have directly from venezuela not other place.
>>
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>
>> Late justice is not justice.
>>
>> GerenaPR
>>
>>
>>> [es]
>>> i totally agree we need more ppl with acess to the admin...
>>> specially cuz we already have the texaco AND the referendum features up
>>> without consensus... i agree with the others here, we should hold a
>>> meeting on irc and decide about process AND about login to the admin
>>> page
>>> ciao
>>> toya
>>> [portunhol]
>>> yo concuerdo plenamente hay que tener mas gente con accesso a la
>>> admin...
>>> especialmente porque nosotros ya tenemos el editorial de texaco Y el
>>> editorial del referendo subidos a global sin consensos...yo concordo
>>> con
>>> otra gente de aca, hay q hacer una reunion en el irc y decidir sobre un
>>> processo Y sobre accesso a la admin
>>> ciao
>>> toya
>>>
>>>
>>>> [es]
>>>>
>>>> Hay que aclarar los procesos ciertamente y da racceso a admin a
>>>> representantes de colectivos CMI, esto es muy centrlizado y no es
>>>> aceptable. Ya subió a global el editorial sin consenso de texaco y
>>>> venezuela. Estamos esperando que por favor hagan consenso y suban
>>>> cuanto
>>>> antes las noticias y videos que nos llegan de las asambleas populares
>>>> en
>>>> Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>>>
>>>> Solidaridad.
>>>>
>>>> [en]
>>>>
>>>> We have to clear this process and give equal access to members of
>>>> different IMC, this is too centralized and that is inacceptable. The
>>>> texaco editorial went up without consensus and lies. We are waiting
>>>> now
>>>> to
>>>> clear the feature with video of what the social movements are asking
>>>> of
>>>> the process , still waiting.
>>>>
>>>> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>>>>
>>>> Solidaridad.
>>>>
>>>> Gerenapr
>>>>
>>>>> hi bb,
>>>>> hold on a sec...first of all, my complain in here is how the process
>>>>> we
>>>>> are having in this list is mess up.... i know you worked on the
>>>>> referendum
>>>>> features modifying it to try to reach a consensus..it is an
>>>>> apreciated
>>>>> act
>>>>> of yours but even so that wanst a consensus on it...sorry bout that
>>>>> but
>>>>> i
>>>>> cant really tell you that after it was mofidying everyone said ok is
>>>>> good
>>>>> to go  now ..cuz some ppl were still having issues about that...
>>>>> also, i am not intresting in asking ppl to leave cuz they put up a
>>>>> features without consensus..or anything like that... i am intresting
>>>>> in
>>>>> build here a good process for us to decided on our features so this
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of thing doesnt happen again... i believe everyone who is in here has
>>>>> the
>>>>> same intention, so why not try to create a good way to work
>>>>> together???
>>>>> what i am critizing in here is that for one situation we had one way
>>>>> of
>>>>> dealing with it and for other we have a diferent way....
>>>>> and we are talking here about two really simulars situations...
>>>>> anda gain, i would like to know how is the texaco features ofending
>>>>> the
>>>>> social moviments in venezuela??
>>>>> ciao
>>>>> toya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, I see here a contradiction process ... we just had the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> situation..a debate about a features with strong positions..and for
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> situation the features went up without consensus ..... but now,
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> are facing a simular one the solution is to not put it up cuz we
>>>>>>> dont
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a consensus...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toya, I have a really hard time engaging with you on this, because
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> (and pretty much everyone else on this list) have refused to engage
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> spent hours going through the archives and compiling a summary of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> entire sequence of events that led to the posting of the first
>>>>>> feature,
>>>>>> and only one person in the collective gave any response.  and now
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> bring this up again as though i had never written anything!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what do you mean?  the second feature did go up!  the one
>>>>>> venezuelan
>>>>>> on the list WANTED the information about Microsoft/Chevron to go up,
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> just wanted it to be done in a way that at the same time did not
>>>>>> attack
>>>>>> social movements, which is what the first proposal basically did.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> opinion this conflict was resolved beautifully well, though it was
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the last week or so I have really wanted to quit this collective,
>>>>>> because this notion that I violated consensus on the first proposal
>>>>>> continues to be mentioned, but not really discussed.  Any time I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> tried to open a discussion about it I have been totally ignored, in
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> private and public emails.  To me the accusation is VERY serious.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is true I should be held accountable in some way, even asked to
>>>>>> leave.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> it is not true, then it is very serious that people are making a
>>>>>> false
>>>>>> accusation.  So which is it?  I personally am extremely upset that
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> people on this list continue ahead pretending there is no problem,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> maybe in that sense Toya, we are in agreement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is only my commitment to reporting events such as the recent
>>>>>> massacre
>>>>>> in Guatemala that keeps me from leaving this list.  I try to
>>>>>> remember
>>>>>> that, no matter how frustrated I may become, my frustration is
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> comparison with the struggles against injustice that are taking
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> over the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> solid., bb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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