[www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] Re: feature proposal : Chavez Venezuela

[guido at stopimperialism.be]

hi,


"We have to clear this process and give equal access to members of
> different IMC, this is too centralized and that is inacceptable. The
> texaco editorial went up without consensus and lies."



I send this:

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/www-features/2004-September/0906-z7.html

You're writing about video.

Wcich video do you talk about, did not see any video mentioned in a proposal.



greetings, guioke

PS: the feature is posted because of me making a fault in time, as nothing
to do with being centralized.






> Solidaridad.
>
> [en]
>
> We have to clear this process and give equal access to members of
> different IMC, this is too centralized and that is inacceptable. The
> texaco editorial went up without consensus and lies. We are waiting now to
> clear the feature with video of what the social movements are asking of
> the process , still waiting.
>
> http://pr.indymedia.org/features/venezuela/
>
> Solidaridad.
>
> Gerenapr
>
>> hi bb,
>> hold on a sec...first of all, my complain in here is how the process we
>> are having in this list is mess up.... i know you worked on the
>> referendum
>> features modifying it to try to reach a consensus..it is an apreciated
>> act
>> of yours but even so that wanst a consensus on it...sorry bout that but
>> i
>> cant really tell you that after it was mofidying everyone said ok is
>> good
>> to go  now ..cuz some ppl were still having issues about that...
>> also, i am not intresting in asking ppl to leave cuz they put up a
>> features without consensus..or anything like that... i am intresting in
>> build here a good process for us to decided on our features so this kind
>> of thing doesnt happen again... i believe everyone who is in here has
>> the
>> same intention, so why not try to create a good way to work together???
>> what i am critizing in here is that for one situation we had one way of
>> dealing with it and for other we have a diferent way....
>> and we are talking here about two really simulars situations...
>> anda gain, i would like to know how is the texaco features ofending the
>> social moviments in venezuela??
>> ciao
>> toya
>>
>>
>>>> And yes, I see here a contradiction process ... we just had the same
>>>> situation..a debate about a features with strong positions..and for
>>>> that
>>>> situation the features went up without consensus ..... but now, when
>>>> we
>>>> are facing a simular one the solution is to not put it up cuz we dont
>>>> have
>>>> a consensus...
>>>
>>> Toya, I have a really hard time engaging with you on this, because you
>>> (and pretty much everyone else on this list) have refused to engage me.
>>> i
>>> spent hours going through the archives and compiling a summary of the
>>> entire sequence of events that led to the posting of the first feature,
>>> and only one person in the collective gave any response.  and now you
>>> bring this up again as though i had never written anything!
>>>
>>> And what do you mean?  the second feature did go up!  the one
>>> venezuelan
>>> on the list WANTED the information about Microsoft/Chevron to go up, he
>>> just wanted it to be done in a way that at the same time did not attack
>>> social movements, which is what the first proposal basically did.  In
>>> my
>>> opinion this conflict was resolved beautifully well, though it was very
>>> difficult.
>>>
>>> In the last week or so I have really wanted to quit this collective,
>>> because this notion that I violated consensus on the first proposal
>>> continues to be mentioned, but not really discussed.  Any time I have
>>> tried to open a discussion about it I have been totally ignored, in
>>> both
>>> private and public emails.  To me the accusation is VERY serious.  If
>>> it
>>> is true I should be held accountable in some way, even asked to leave.
>>> If
>>> it is not true, then it is very serious that people are making a false
>>> accusation.  So which is it?  I personally am extremely upset that so
>>> many
>>> people on this list continue ahead pretending there is no problem, and
>>> so
>>> maybe in that sense Toya, we are in agreement.
>>>
>>> It is only my commitment to reporting events such as the recent
>>> massacre
>>> in Guatemala that keeps me from leaving this list.  I try to remember
>>> that, no matter how frustrated I may become, my frustration is nothing
>>> in
>>> comparison with the struggles against injustice that are taking place
>>> all
>>> over the world.
>>>
>>> solid., bb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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