[www-editoriales] Re: [www-features] PROPUESTA: Asambleas

Mon Sep 6 19:23:09 PDT 2004

Since you mention it, could someone please double check the translation on
that section?  I found it to be the most confusing sentence in the
article, and I'm not sure I have it right.

Answering AB's understandable concern, I think the addition of the videos
would make it a more substantial feature.

solid.,
bb

> *this from out proposal of bb:
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> "One considers the rejection of candidates hand-picked as
> leaders| >> of | > partisan power for the regional elections of mayors
> and| >> governors, which| >> | > will take place in the next months. "
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> *and this from up one of the URL's gaven by geneapr:
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> "El presidente Chávez ha llamado a la unidad, y le ha pedido al pueblo
> que acepte los candidatos que él ha designado. Sin embargo, en distintas
> asambleas populares, las personas insisten en que son ell at s mism at s, como
> habitantes de las comunidades, las que deben decidir quiénes son los
> candidatos y no personas, por muy inteligentes que sean, que ni siquiera
> vivan ahí."
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> is about the same... so therefor my prposal.
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> greetings,  guidoke
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>> [es]
>>
>> Compas, el destaque de texaco subió con desacuerdos, subió antes de las
>> 6
>> horas, y se llegó al consenso de que la respuesta de los movimientos
>> populares a la burocracia revolucionaria.
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/4578.php
>>
>> Se dijo que tendria un destaque aparte, solo, con un enlace al llamado
>> de
>> acción global si se acordaba.
>>
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/4580.php
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/4338.php
>>
>> Comunicar los acuerdos del gobierno y las multinacionales y no la
>> respuesta popular al la profundización del proceso, es manipulativo,
>> tonto, de agentes infiltrados. Esta información es directo de Venezuela,
>> no la opinión de un grupo ideológico fuera del proceso bolivariano.
>>
>> Esto son noticias que se deben difundir para poder activar el analisis
>> del
>> proceso bolivariano.
>>
>> Solidaridad plena.
>>
>> GerenaPR
>>
>> PD el compa Marcelo es activista de medios en Venezuela, trabaja para
>> organizar un indymedia allí, tiene igual oportunidad a opinar que los
>> del
>> libertario y cualquier otro colectivo comunitario. O acaso tiene que ser
>> marca indymedia solamente........ por favor.....
>> [en]
>>
>> Comrades, the texaco feature went up while still being discussed, before
>> the 6 hours, and with lies. A consensus was reached when a proposed
>> feature of the venezuelan social movements reacting and demanding the
>> profundization of the process and the end of corruption.
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/4578.php
>>
>> It deserves a feature alone.
>>
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/4580.php
>> http://pr.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/4338.php
>>
>> Showing the deals between government and multinationals, and not showing
>> the reaction of the social movements is very manipulative, and stupid.
>> This is directly from Venezuela, not an ideological opinion from a
>> distant
>> group outside the process.
>>
>> This is important news that should be spread to activate analysis on the
>> bolivarian process.
>>
>> Solidaridad plena.
>>
>> GerenaPR
>>
>> PD comrade marcelo is a media activist from Venezuela, he is trying to
>> organize indymedia venezuela. he deserve the right to express here, as
>> the
>> comrades of el libertario and other comrades from social collectives, or
>> it has to be just trademark indymedia?? please.
>>
>> > the chevron texaco went up with any agree (was something about 6
>> hours),
>> > and
>> > publish one in condition of post another is patetic, like the
>> > parlamentarian
>> > agreements.
>> >
>> >
>> > El artículo de chevron y texaco se subió sin ningun acuerdo, por lo
>> menos
>> > en la
>> > lista (que es donde se toman las desiciones)y  subir uno en condición
>> de
>> > otro
>> > es patético, tipico de parlamentarios.
>> >
>> > marcelo, vos de que indymedia sos??
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Libertinus ______________________
>> > Indymedia Uruguay
>> >
>> >
>> > Mensaje citado por Marcelo Andrade <marcelo at calleymedia.org>:
>> >
>> > | [castellano abajo]
>> > | [english]
>> > | hi all,
>> > | the chevron texaco article went up with the condition that this
>> article
>> > on
>> > | the popular assemblies would go up, so breaking this would be
>> violating
>> > in
>> > | really bad way what we had agreed upon! showing just that chavez has
>> > | signed these deals and not showing what the people are doing would
>> be a
>> > | really manipulative way to do newsreporting... just like are good
>> > friends
>> > | in the corporate media. so please, let´s stick to what we had agreed
>> > upon
>> > | and put this article up.
>> > | thanks
>> > | marcelo
>> > |
>> > | [castellano]
>> > | hola tod at s,
>> > | el articulo de chevron texaco subio con la condicion de que
>> > inmediatamente
>> > | despues subiría el artículo de las asambleas populares, asi que
>> romper
>> > | esto seria violar gravemente lo que habiamos acordado! sacar los
>> > acuerdos
>> > | que chavez ha firmado con multinacionales y no mostrar lo que hace
>> la
>> > | gente seria una forma muy manipuladora de hacer noticia... justo
>> como lo
>> > | hacen nuestros buenos amigos en los media capitalista. asi que por
>> > favor,
>> > | vamos a cumplir lo que acordamos y que este articulo suba.
>> > | gracias
>> > | marcelo
>> > |
>> > | > [es]
>> > | >
>> > | > Hola a todos.
>> > | >
>> > | > El destaque de chevron y venezuela subió sin consenso, con errores
>> y
>> > | > mentiras y con la promesa de que otro artículo de la reacción de
>> los
>> > | > movimientos sociales a los negocios del gobierno con las
>> > | > multinacionales.
>> > | >
>> > | > Talves no es noticia de último momento, pero es balance y la
>> reacción
>> > | > real de los venezolanos en lucha.
>> > | >
>> > | > Seamos justos, es mucho más importante comunicar lo que hacen los
>> > | > movimientos populares por el cambio real.
>> > | >
>> > | > Lo apoyamos.
>> > | >
>> > | > Amor y solidaridad plena.
>> > | >
>> > | > GerenaPR
>> > | >
>> > | > [en]
>> > | > Hi all.
>> > | >
>> > | > The chevron venezuela feature went up without consensus, with
>> > erroneous
>> > | > info and lies and with the promise that another aticle of the
>> reaction
>> > | > of social movements to government's business with multinationals
>> > should
>> > | > go up.
>> > | >
>> > | > Maybe it not a breaking news, but is a balanca and a real reaction
>> of
>> > | > people's to the bolivarian bureaucracy.
>> > | >
>> > | > Let's be fair, it's more important to communicate what social
>> > movements
>> > | > are doing for a  real change.
>> > | >
>> > | > So we support it.
>> > | >
>> > | > Love and solidarity.
>> > | >
>> > | >
>> > | >
>> > | >> I feel the same.
>> > | >>
>> > | >> Siento lo mismo que Ulla, fue interesante leerlo pero no creo que
>> > | >> valga una
>> > | >> portada del sitio mundial.  Tampoco lo bloqueo, simplemente no
>> doy mi
>> > | >> apoyo.
>> > | >>
>> > | >> --
>> > | >> Libertinus ______________________
>> > | >> Indymedia Uruguay
>> > | >>
>> > | >>
>> > | >> Mensaje citado por Anarcho Babe <anarchobabe at fempages.org>:
>> > | >>
>> > | >> | Well, I am not happy with this proposal because it hasn't got
>> > enough
>> > | >> "hard"
>> > | >> | news, it seems to me more to be a commentary than a news item,
>> > | >> because | there is not a describtion of what happened, when,
>> where,
>> > | >> why, & who was | involved and and how long.
>> > | >> |
>> > | >> | ciao Ulla
>> > | >> |
>> > | >> |
>> > | >> | On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:18:54 -0700 (PDT), Blackbeard
>> > | >> | <txinsurrection at riseup.net> wrote:
>> > | >> |
>> > | >> | > [english below -bb]
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > TITLE: Asambleas Populares Plantean "Revolución dentro de la
>> > | >> Revolución"
>> > | >> | > SUBTITLE: VENEZUELA : REVOLUCION
>> > | >> | > IMAGE: http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/09/compache.jpg
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > Desde las asambleas de los movimientos populares se plantea
>> que
>> > se
>> > | >> el | > momento de acelerar la profundización de la Revolución
>> > | >> Bolivariana y de
>> > | >> | > asumir la lucha directa contra la burocracia corrupta que se
>> > | >> mantiene | > dentro del Estado.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > Tras la victoria popular en el referendum del 15 de Agosto,
>> los |
>> > | >> > movimientos populares trazan su estrategia de lucha para lo que
>> han
>> > | >> | > denominado "Revolucion en la Revolución".
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > El Imperio, después de sus consecutivas derrotas en los
>> > escenarios
>> > | >> | > golpistas y electoral, parece estar enrumbando su estrategia
>> > hacia
>> > | >> la | > dominación del proceso revolucionario por medio de sus
>> > | >> muchísimos | > enclaves
>> > | >> | > neoliberales en el gobierno del mismo Chávez. No se descarta,
>> > | >> obviamente,
>> > | >> | > planes de violencia que apuntan hacie el asesinato de Chávez,
>> > pero
>> > | >> de | > todas formas los movimientos populares se mueven cada vez
>> más
>> > | >> desde una
>> > | >> | > plataforma de rebelión permanente que se aleja de los
>> ejercicios
>> > |
>> > | >> > leguyeros
>> > | >> | > eternos y lleva la acción a la calle como acto constituyente
>> del
>> > | >> pueblo.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > Se plantea el rechazó a candidatos nombrados a dedo por las
>> > | >> cúpulas del
>> > | >> | > poder partidista para las elecciones regionales de alcaldes y
>> | >
>> > | >> gobernadores
>> > | >> | > a efectuarse en los próximos meses. han habido un sin número
>> de
>> > | >> acciones
>> > | >> | > de calle que realizadas por comunidades organizadas por todo
>> el
>> > | >> país. Las
>> > | >> | > contradicciones entre los sectores corrupto-neoliberales en
>> el
>> > | >> gobierno y
>> > | >> | > los movimientos populares bolivarianos parece acelerarse cada
>> vez
>> > | >> más. La
>> > | >> | > lucha en Venezuela se va convirtiendo a paso agigantado en
>> > | >> procesos de | > rebelión permanente y masiva que se enfrenta
>> incluso
>> > a
>> > | >> las dinámicas | > partidistas que intentan capitalizar para su
>> propia
>> > | >> gloria el triunfo | > popular del 15 de Agosto.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > Sin embargo, más allá incluso de las dinámicas de lucha
>> local, en
>> > | >> las | > asambleas se habla cada vez más de la necesidad de
>> articular
>> > | >> la | > revolución
>> > | >> | > bolivariana de venezuela con las demás luchas del continente.
>> > Todo
>> > | >> esto
>> > | >> | > con la conciencia de que para una verdadera profundización de
>> la
>> > |
>> > | >> > Revolución Bolivariana, ésta debe dejar de ser sólo Revolución
>> | >
>> > | >> Venezolana,
>> > | >> | > y convertirse en Revolución Continental.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > [en]
>> > | >> | > TITLE: Assemblies Plan "Revolution Within the Revolution"
>> > | >> | > SUBTITLE: VENEZUELA : REVOLUTION
>> > | >> | > IMAGE: http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/09/compache.jpg
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | >> From the assemblies of the popular movements, the moment
>> arises
>> > | >> for | > accelerating the deepening of the Bolivariana Revolution,
>> and
>> > | >> for | > assuming
>> > | >> | > a direct struggle against the corrupt bureaucracy that is
>> still |
>> > | >> > entrenched
>> > | >> | > within the State.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > After the popular victory in the referendum of the 15 of
>> August,
>> > | >> the | > popular movements are drawing up their strategy of
>> struggle
>> > | >> which they | > have termed "Revolucion in the Revolution".
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > The Empire, after its consecutive defeats in both the coups
>> and
>> > | >> electoral
>> > | >> | > processes, seems to be evolving its strategy towards the
>> > | >> domination of | > the
>> > | >> | > revolutionary process by means of its numerous neoliberal
>> > enclaves
>> > | >> in the
>> > | >> | > government of the same Chávez. Without discounting the
>> obvious,
>> > | >> violent
>> > | >> | > plans that point to the assasination of Chávez, the popular
>> > | >> movements are
>> > | >> | > moving more and more towards a platform of permanent
>> rebellion,
>> > | >> and away
>> > | >> | > from the eternal "leguyeros" exercises, and escalating to
>> street
>> > | >> actions
>> > | >> | > as the constituient act of the people.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > One considers the rejection of candidates hand-picked as
>> leaders
>> > | >> of | > partisan power for the regional elections of mayors and
>> > | >> governors, which
>> > | >> | > will take place in the next months.  There have been
>> countless
>> > | >> street | > actions mobilized by organized communitions throughout
>> the
>> > | >> country. The
>> > | >> | > contradictions within the corrupt neo-liberal sectors in the
>> > | >> governments,
>> > | >> | > and the popular bolivarian movements, seem to grow more and
>> more
>> > | >> each | > day.
>> > | >> | > The struggle in Venezuela has become to accelerate the
>> process of
>> > | >> | > permanent and massive rebellion that even confronts the
>> partisan
>> > |
>> > | >> > politicians who, for their own glory, are trying to capitalize
>> on
>> > | >> the | > popular triumph of August 15.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | > Nevertheless, more broadly inclusive than the dynamics of a
>> local
>> > | >> | > struggle, it is being spoken of more and more, in the
>> assemblies,
>> > | >> the | > necessity to articulate the bolivarian revolution of
>> > Venezuela
>> > | >> to the | > other struggles of the continent.  All of that with
>> the
>> > | >> consciousness | > that, for a true deepening of the Bolivarian
>> > | >> Revolution to take place, it
>> > | >> | > must cease to be only the Venezuelan Revolution, and
>> transform
>> > | >> itself | > into
>> > | >> | > a Continental Revolution.
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | >
>> > | >> | >
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